On 6/18/2018 10:21 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 12:55 AM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>JKC has mis-stated CI. CI didn't say QM as embodied in the SWE
was the theory of the world. Bohr and Heisenberg both held that
the classical world was logically prior to the quantum
If so then forget string theory, Newton discovered the theory that
fully describes the fundamental underlying nature of reality way back
in 1687. And nobody knows what Copenhagen is saying. Bohr, Heisenberg,
Wigner and Wheeler all said they are ardent believers in the
Copenhagen interpretation but Wigner, a Nobel Prize winner, thought
consciousness collapsed the quantum wave function while Heisenberg,
another Nobel prize winner, insisted it did not; and that's a pretty
big difference in my opinion. And John Wheeler was Hugh Everett's
thesis adviser and even wrote a letter to Bohr that still exists
saying that Many Worlds is fully consistent with the Copenhagen
Interpretation! As for Niels Bohr, he said "Never express yourself
more clearly than you are able to think” and as a result of that to
this day people are still arguing about what the man was trying to say.
So before we start debating its pros and cons we should figure out
what the hell the Copenhagen Interpretation is.
I don't think anybody tried to mush Heisenberg, Bohr, von Neumann,
Wigner all into one "Copenhagen Interpretation" until Everett's relative
state was recognized as an alternative. So practically "The Copenhagen
Interpretation" is just "The Not MWI" interpretation. That makes it
seem that the CI is inconsistent and incoherent and ill-defined. But
this is unfair to the founders who each had certain coherent ideas.
Brent
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