> On 18 Jun 2018, at 17:23, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:54 PM, <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >> What about it, what is your theory of decoherence and how does it make the > >> CI less dumb? > > > Not that I'm a great fan of decoherence theory, but it doest includes the > > apparatus, observer, and the rest of the environment in the measuring > > process. > > I know what quantum decoherence is but I've never heard of the term > "decoherence theory" before and I don't see how anyone can talk about > decoherence without referring to the rest of the environment. If X is the > only thing in the universe or the only thing that’s important then there is > nothing X can become cohered or de-cohered from. > > >>> I have always regarded Bell results as paradoxical, or if you prefer > >>> unintelligible, > > >>It's not paradoxical because its not self contradictory and its not > >>unintelligible because the results are clear as a Bell (pun intended), they > >>are just very very odd. > > > Do us all a favor and stop playing word games. > > Now you sound like Bruno. Do you really thing you can give words vague > ephemeral meanings and still do science?
Ask question, or avoid ad hominem remark. Bruno > > >What you call "odd", can easily been seen as paradoxical or unintelligible > > I don’t think we’re ever going to be able to figure out anything if the > meanings of words change at our whim from day to day. The reductio ad > absurdum proof is actually poorly named because it is not good enough to show > that a proposition will lead to something odd or even very odd to prove that > the proposition must be untrue, you’ve got to show it is paradoxical, that is > to say self contradictory. If Many World’s or the Transactional > Interpretation was true it would means some very odd things were going on > behind the scenes, but that doesn’t prove either of them is untrue. In fact > now that the Bell experiments have been performed one thing we know for sure > is that some very odd things ARE going on behind the scenes, we’re just not > sure exactly what they are. So if your explanation is not very very odd it > can’t be right. > > I don’t know what it would mean if Copenhagen turned out to be true because > even those who say they believe in it can’t agree among themselves what > exactly the Copenhagen Interpretation is saying other than “shut up and > calculate”. > > > insofar as it can't be understood in terms of how we perceive space, or > > spatial extent, and of course causality > > So to have any hope of understanding what’s going on we’re going to have to > abandon comfortable concepts like causality and the normal way we perceive > space and embrace something much stranger. > > >> Are you confusing plane waves with advanced waves? > > >Definitely not. Plane waves don't exist except possibly in your imagination. > > AG > > To a good approximation a Laser produces plane waves, the electromagnetic > wave fronts form parallel planes, that’s why a Laser beam spreads out very > little with distance unlike a light bulb which produces a spherical wave. But > I don’t see what this has to do with quantum interpretation and I don’t know > of any physicists who thinks plane waves are more controversial than > spherical waves. > > John K Clark > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
