On 9/19/2018 1:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 19 Sep 2018, at 03:44, Brent Meeker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



On 9/18/2018 4:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

I don't think you know what you mean by "exist", I certainly don’t.


I use “exists” as a quantifier in some theory. The axioms are given in all textbook of logic.

But you need to connect that meaning to the very different meaning of exists = "you can kick it and it kicks back”.


That is a bit unclear.

What's unclear about you can kick it and it kicks back?  That's the kind of definition that can be ostensive (although not via email).


To give precision, I use “Exist” in the sense of first order logic, and the different sense of “exist” emerges, or can be defined in the different modal logic imposed by Gödel II.

So, the ontic existence = the usual number existence, or the “E” of first order arithmetic.

Then you have  the 8 variants of existence: [i]Ex[i]P(x)  with [0]p = []p, [1]p = []p & p, [2]p = []p & <>t, etc.

What's "etc" mean?


To be sure, for matter, you have still other nuances, as observation is “quantised” which means that we need the []<>p translation (it makes the experience repeatable, brought symmetry below the substitution level, and provide the quantum logics where we expected it by the thought experiences.

Yes, I understand quantifiers.  But you are quantifying over a domain of numbers, so "exists" only means there is a number that satisfies some predicate.

Brent


Bruno






Brent

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