On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 4:29:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Oct 2018, at 11:24, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:35:39 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> Because finite numbers can be shown to have infinite hallucinations, >> especially when they mess with other finite numbers. And that leads to a >> testable theology, which includes an explanation of where both quanta and >> qualia comes from. Then assuming more than that in the ontology, introduces >> unnecessary difficulties, probably inconsistency or deflation of >> predictions. (Usually called white rabbit in this list (and in my long >> version thesis). >> >> Bruno >> >> >> > > *Hallucinations and qualia can be derived from numbers* *(numerical > reality) *is one thesis. But what is the test? > > In material reality, numbers do not exist (aka mathematical fictionalism). > So positing numbers would add more to the ontology (a Platonic realm in > addition to the material realm). > > > I do not assume a primary material reality. Eventually, I assume only > elementary arithmetic, or elementary combinator theory, and anything Turing > equivalent. > > > > > *Material reality supports both information (numberical) processing and > experience (qualia) processing.* The alternative thesis. > > > Primary matter is what make the mind-body problem unsolvable. Given the > mack of evidence of it, why assume it? > > > > That I am conscious is the test that there is a material reality. > > > > Consciousness does not seem material to me. Consciousness is the test of > the existence of consciousness. To infer a material reality from a > conscious experience is an extrapolation, and once you bet on mechanism, it > does not make much sense. No problem, as you seem both materialist and non > mechanist. We are working in different theory. > > Bruno > > > I think I've always followed the direction of pragmatism, or more precisely Rortian neopragmatism since* Philosophy and the Mirror of Nature*.
I see the (modal logical) language as explored in "The universal numbers: >From Biology to Physics" is of interest to *agent programming language theorists* (and they indeed utilize those logics in their research). But when the "code meets the road" so to speak, and conscious robots need to be compiled, matter will be needed* to actually make them,* there there is where the matter matters! - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
