On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 4:29:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Oct 2018, at 11:24, Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:35:39 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> Because finite numbers can be shown to have infinite hallucinations, >> especially when they mess with other finite numbers. And that leads to a >> testable theology, which includes an explanation of where both quanta and >> qualia comes from. Then assuming more than that in the ontology, introduces >> unnecessary difficulties, probably inconsistency or deflation of >> predictions. (Usually called white rabbit in this list (and in my long >> version thesis). >> >> Bruno >> >> >> > > *Hallucinations and qualia can be derived from numbers* *(numerical > reality) *is one thesis. But what is the test? > > In material reality, numbers do not exist (aka mathematical fictionalism). > So positing numbers would add more to the ontology (a Platonic realm in > addition to the material realm). > > > I do not assume a primary material reality. Eventually, I assume only > elementary arithmetic, or elementary combinator theory, and anything Turing > equivalent. > > > > > *Material reality supports both information (numberical) processing and > experience (qualia) processing.* The alternative thesis. > > > Primary matter is what make the mind-body problem unsolvable. Given the > mack of evidence of it, why assume it? > > > > That I am conscious is the test that there is a material reality. > > > > Consciousness does not seem material to me. Consciousness is the test of > the existence of consciousness. To infer a material reality from a > conscious experience is an extrapolation, and once you bet on mechanism, it > does not make much sense. No problem, as you seem both materialist and non > mechanist. We are working in different theory. > > Bruno > > > I think I've always followed the direction of pragmatism, or more precisely Rortian neopragmatism since* Philosophy and the Mirror of Nature*.
I see the (modal logical) language as explored in "The universal numbers: >From Biology to Physics" is of interest to *agent programming language theorists* (and they indeed utilize those logics in their research). But when the "code meets the road" so to speak, and conscious robots need to be compiled, matter will be needed* to actually make them,* there there is where the matter matters! - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
