But how would a universal number feel a difference of consciousness between being in an emulation of the quantum wave of our cluster of galaxies with 10^100 decimals correct, and being in in such a cluster? What role matter plays? If it is only for saying “real”, it is an error in metaphysics. You could as well add that we need matter so that God can bless it. In arithmetic, we don’t have *that* problem, we just listen to the machine/numbers, and decide to not treat them as zombie when they complain on this or that (the universal number are never 100% satisfied!). We do have another problem: which is that matter has to emerge from an infinite competition in between all universal numbers below our substitution level. But that is quite close to Feynman formulation of QM, in a many computations/world/mind setting. Where the physicists are confused, the mechanist can say we told you. And, oh, yes, the hyper-mechanist can say that too, and that is a weakness of my approach, in a sense, which is that we can distinguish experimentally between mechanism, hypermechanism, or a number of version of mechanism + oracle. But again, that is a reason more to chose the simplest option. If we find a reason to believe in miracle, oracle and contextual divine entity on the terrestrial plane, it can still be time to weaken and generalise the mechanist hypothesis. Note that only the arithmetical gods *quite* close to arithmetical truth (which is above all arithmetical gods) get supplementary axioms to their self-reference logic G and G*. I have studied some of those “gods”, notably those whose “believability” predicate is defined by “true in all V_kappa models of ZF”. You need to add (A->B) v ((B & B) -> A) to G. With the way I proceed, in is not impossible to test this in some future, in the corresponding “material” variant of G, but that is not for tomorrow. Bruno > > - pt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com > <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.