On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 6:52:38 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 30 Nov 2018, at 17:44, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
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> On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 6:39:19 AM UTC-6, [email protected] 
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>> On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 9:13:29 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>> *This may be a simplistic pov, but since there was IMO no Original Sin, 
>>> there was no need for a Sacrifice for its forgiveness. Under this view, 
>>> Christianity is overwhelmingly an illusion. And since Theology seems to be 
>>> primarily an extended argument about the historical history and truths 
>>> about Christianity, it too is essentially worthless; an extended wrangling 
>>> over nothing. AG *
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>>> That comes from the 1500 years of brainwashing. I use theology in the 
>>> sense of Plato, not the Gospel. Only atheists believe in JC, 
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>> *Really? It seems you never met any Christians on a personal level. If 
>> you did, you'd see how uninformed you are. AG*
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>>> except for the TV evangelist, which are arguably con men.
>>> That was the goal of the Christian after 529. To make us forget that the 
>>> original question of the greeks was about the existence of a (primary) 
>>> physical universe. God exist by definition: it is, by definition, the truth 
>>> we intuit to be larger than ourselves.
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>> *I really doubt the question about the nature of matter has been 
>> forgotten. AG *
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> There is no truth outside of language, and matter's just another word for 
> nothing left to lose.
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> Language have no relation with truth a priori. Theories might have. 
> Semantics are truth “by definition”, by relativising it to the notion of 
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> Bruno
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*Rorty* is right, I think: Better not to use the word "truth" at all.

It's just "justification". Or "judgment" (a type-theoretic term).

- pt

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