> On 20 Dec 2018, at 22:35, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:46 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On 19 Dec 2018, at 23:33, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:21 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> On 19 Dec 2018, at 12:59, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Dynamics is the study of matter in motion. There are no clocks in >>> arithmetic. >> Of course there is clock. The successor function implements it out of time >> and space. >> >> The fact that you can use one ordered sequence to index another ordered >> sequence does not constitute a clock. > > But it is all you need to implement a clock similar to the one used in, say, > a von Neumann computer. > > No, a clock is a physical device, not a sequence of imaginary objects.
But “physical” is what we have to explain (assuming Mechanism, by the UDA). > >> Nothing exists out of time and space, not even time and space themselves. > Assuming such absolute space and time exists in some absolute way, and for > this you need to assume that the brain is not Turing emulable, and you are > out of working hypothesis. > > You can have your hypothesis. But I am talking about what works in the world, > not some arbitrary hypothesis. But physics, despite its tremendous success in the (first person plural) prediction needs an identity thesis which is refuted by all theories based on mechanism. Darwin use mechanism, molecular biology used mechanism, and QM-withput-reduction use mechanism. What is you alternative? You can’t have both Mechanism and Physicalism. Bruno > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
