On Monday, 22 April 2019 07:41:14 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > 1) Causality can still exist even if time is an illusion. For example in > block-time, time is an indexical - all times can be said to exist at once - > but that in no way diminishes the role of causality in describing the > dynamics and interactions of the system as time 't' varies. > > No, it cannot. It is just the story of the movie. I guess that in dreams when a rock falls and hits the ground, you don't consider that the rock fell because it was causally attracted by the earth. It is just the story of the dream.
> 2) I don't even know how to make sense of this claim. The whims of > competing consciousnesses are what determine the laws of physics? To me > this is indistinguishable from "God did it". There's no way to reason about > it, no hope for making predictions or improving understanding. You'd have > to understand the minds of the consciousnesses whose competition creates > reality. > Yes, you cannot make predictions anymore, because it all depends on the thinking of each individual consciousness. Is like in society. You can only make vague general predictions, but you will never have exact predictions like in physics, because you are dealing with complex consciousnesses. The predictions in physics are more precise because you are dealing there with primitive consciousnesses and they act in simple manners. > > 3) Also, other consciousnesses want me to die... right? > > They don't want you to die. What happens is that interaction is disrupted at some point, and your highly evolved consciousness falls apart. Is also similar to how society works. When the component consciousnesses don't interact anymore in the proper ways, society falls apart. > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 4:41 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, 20 April 2019 02:15:40 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: >>> >>> 1) I'm not sure I can make sense of the term 'influence' without >>> causation. In every instance I can think of, to influence something means >>> to exert some kind of force on it such that it behaves differently then it >>> otherwise would have. It *causes* it to change. >>> >> >> The thing is that time itself is a quale in consciousness. You can have >> temporal extended periods in consciousness that happen all at once. You can >> see it as a movie that already exists. If you attend-along to the movie it >> appears to you as if there are causal powers happening there. But the movie >> exists all at once, so causality is an illusion. I'm writing about this in >> "The Quale of Time". >> >>> >>> 2) I'm not following your evolutionary account of competing >>> consciousnesses, and how that leads to constraints that I cannot influence. >>> What evolutionary dynamic is responsible for gravity? I'd sure like to >>> flap my arms and fly. Why can't I? >>> >> >> Because there are other consciousness that don't want you to fly. And >> they are many and they win. Gravity is an external appearance of internal >> interactions that take place in other consciousnesses. Those >> consciousnesses are not necesseraily linked to biological bodies, so there >> is no easy way to pinpoint them. They are living in their internal worlds. >> And their interactions are as such that to us it appears that there is a >> thing that we call "gravity". >> >>> >>> 3) How do you account for death in your worldview? If there are no such >>> things as electrons or brains, then what about the ultimate constraint? >>> Why do people die? >>> >>> In my view, death is just a transition to another life. Since Self is >> eternal, it means that death is just a point in which the experiences of >> the Self are changing. Why exactly it turned out to be this way has to do >> again both with evolution and probably also to some inerent fact about the >> very nature of self-reference to need diversity to be able to exist. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everyth...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
