You keep trotting out the term "cybernetic delusion" as if it's a problem. But it's just an assumption I make, that consciousness is identified with cybernetic dynamics. I'm exploring the consequences of that idea, which are compelling IMO.
You or anyone else can feel free to adopt or not adopt that assumption. But it's not a delusion. Calling it that suggests there's a more correct way to view consciousness. But you haven't been clear about what that is, vacillating between "only certain kinds of matter can be conscious" and "all matter is conscious". If you adopt panpsychism, you fall prey to the cybernetic delusion yourself. And when you don't, *you fail to explain what privileges certain kinds of matter over others*. It seems pretty clear to me that there's no principled way to do that... any explanation of why brains can be conscious but not computers starts to sound suspiciously like "spirit" and "soul", in the sense that you're invoking some property of matter that cannot be detected. Terren On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 4:57 AM <cloudver...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 8:30:00 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 9:15 PM 'Cosmin Visan' < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> *> What happens in cases of telepathy is [...]. For example, in cases of >>> dream telepathy [...] This clearly is a case of dream telepathy.* >>> >> >> OK, there was little doubt before but you just made it official, Cosmin >> Visan is a crackpot. >> >> John K Clark >> >> >> >> > > Telepathy I doubt pretty bigly, but the cybernetic delusion is a really > crackpot idea. > > @philipthrift > > >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
