> On 26 Jul 2019, at 16:08, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 26, 2019 at 3:16:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 25 Jul 2019, at 21:19, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Actually, from the Stawsonian materialist view, most neuroscientists do not >> believe in matter, or rather, they believe in a facade of matter absent >> experientiality. > > That seems like a contradiction. How could something be a facade in case of > absent experentiality. You might elaborate a little bit here. > > > > Matter (panpsychist view) has both physical ϕ (behavioral, informational) and > psychical ψ (experiential) properties. Conventionally, scientists only think > matter has ϕ
What is “matter”? I can understand the extrapolation, but it does not resists to the facts. > > > >> >> Feyerabend talked of science and religion, but as science has been turned >> into a religion, > > Something unavoidable when you separate science and theology. With becomes > pseudo-science and pseudo-religion. > > > > >> with scientists claiming that their theoretical entities are godlike in >> their reality (their "truth”), > > … which of course is highly NON scientific. A scientist never claim that a > theory is true, only that is not refuted, and explain something better than > another theory, or things like that. > > > > > For example, at least in articles written for the public, physicists talk of > 'fields' entities of QFT > > QFT treats particles as excited states (also called quanta) of their > underlying fields, which are—in a sense—more fundamental than the basic > particles. [Wikipedia] Where does it come from? Ecanist provides a testable answers. > > as being real. So fields in the above context are talked about as being real, > vs. mathematical fictions modeling an underlying reality. Thus physics > becomes like a catechism of a religious denomination. Is that a good sign? Among Aristotelian, only Einstein seems to be aware of this, and he was constantly attacked on this … (See the book by Jammer n “Einstein and religion”). > > >> and thus other competing theoretical entities are like other gods that >> should be banned. > > > Yes. A part of the academical world remains “religious” in metaphysics. But > not all, far from that. But those who does not make extraordinary > pseudo-religious claim attracts less the attention of the media. Or when they > do, the journalists can’t publish their papers ... > > Bruno > > > Science journalists are not to blame. Scientists are for misinforming them. I was alluding to my case, where a dozen of journalist interviewed me after I got he Price “LE MONDE”, and none, except he journalist from Switzerland have been able to publish their papers. Today, I still don’t know why, except that something is above academy, for some academicians. It is all politics, susceptibility, jealousy, and not an atom of science. Yes, some scientists might be pseudo-scientists, but the authentically one (recognisable and all this wth respect to machine theology) cannot mis-infomrd, as they are not sure about anything, and just gives theories and means to evaluate them. But in the theological domain, the Aristotelian dogma (shared by so called atheists and believers alike), the fashion is still in the older theory of humanity: “the boss is right”. Bruno > > @philipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/68a2e20e-350e-4007-88e2-858ae68ca51e%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/68a2e20e-350e-4007-88e2-858ae68ca51e%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/C52CE98E-9860-40E9-B74E-CDFE89C9DE7B%40ulb.ac.be.
