On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 4:09 AM John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 12:14 AM Russell Standish <[email protected]>
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>> *This is all different from John Clark's argument that something
>> mustexist to breathe fire into all the computations. He calls thatsomething
>> "matter", and strongly disavows the ability of arithmetic todo this. Bruno
>> Marchal claims the opposite - that arithmetic, or infact any abstract
>> system capable of universal computation, issufficient for the job. To be
>> quite frank, I'm a fence sitter in thisdebate, as I've yet to see any
>> physically realisable experiment thatcan settle the matter.*
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> I have.  Add 2 +2 on your computer. Observe the output. Hit your computer
> as hard as you can with the hammer. Add 2 +2 on your computer again.
> Observe if the output has changed. Note that a hammer can change physical
> things but can't change arithmetic.
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>From this logic we can conclude that past points in time belong in
arithmetic (since we can't change it, and it doesn't change).

Jason

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