On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 8:37 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > * if you think that there is a difference, what is it? It seems that > you will have to invoke some attribute of your “matter”* > There are 2 attributes that matter has that numbers don't, and I've said this over and over, the ability to change, and the ability to interact with time in such a way that cause always precedes effect. And both of these attributes are vitally important in the making of a mind. > *> and that it cannot be Turing emulated* > It's the easiest thing in the world for a Turing machine to emulate matter because a Turing machine is made of matter. >> I think information is the fundamental thing that makes me be me, > > >Yes, and it is relative information, and that is given by the relation > between you and universal numbers, > If you wish to communicate with your fellow human beings you really need to give Brunospeak a rest. >> but information must be about something and in this case it's > information about how atoms are arranged. > > *> How? * > How what? > *> Could a brain in vat knows anything about those atoms. * > A brain in a skull can know stuff about atoms, why would a brain in a vat be more ignorant? > *It could not even know if it is emulated by a Babbage machine or by > human with paper, or by a quantum computer.* > True, but it could know that it's NOT being emulated by pure numbers, because whatever is doing the emulating it needs to be something that can change and something that can interact with time. And pure numbers can't do either of those things. But matter can. >> And atoms are physical things that interact with each other according to > the laws of physics. > > *> Assuming some physical reality, but that makes no sense when you assume > Mechanism.* > Then as is your habit you've changed your definition of "Mechanism" yet again to who knows what because I still say "yes" to the digital doctor. That's why I never bothered to learn Brunospeak, even if I was fluent in it today by tomorrow it would have mutated so much it would be incomprehensible. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv21Y2aAo1-V%3DzPHkYWkZbeox8djGqcJRvKwor5b9ASY8g%40mail.gmail.com.
