On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 10:46:38 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 27 Aug 2019, at 13:31, John Clark <[email protected] <javascript:>>
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> yet again to who knows what because I still say "yes" to the digital
> doctor. That's why I never bothered to learn Brunospeak,
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> That is a trolling technic.
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> Why do you keep using the argument of those who want to show that they
> have no argument?
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> You are the one “religious” here. You are the one talking like if you do
> have found evidence from primary matter, or for physicalism. But you have
> not show them, and you get trapped by the fact you says yes to a digitalist
> doctor.
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> I understand your appeal to a mystical notion of computation, but it has
> to be different from “emulating a universal machine” to provide a role for
> some primary matter. Maybe some universal number will play key role in the
> laws of the machine’s observable, but to get the quanta without eliminating
> the qualia, we have to extract that number, if it exists, by the modal
> variants I described here and in my papers.
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> Bruno
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You realize that if Fictionalism is true
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fictionalism-mathematics/
(and there is no demonstrable evidence against it), then
*There are no models of arithmetic consisting of numbers.*
because numbers do not exist in the first place).
@philipthrift
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