On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 11:46 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:

>> There are 2 attributes that matter has that numbers don't, and I've said
> this over and over, the ability to change, and the ability to interact with
> time in such a way that cause always precedes effect.  And both of these
> attributes are vitally important in the making of a mind.
>


*> How much?*
>

42


> > just invoking a”god” without [...]
>

And that is a cue to skip to the next paragraph.

*> Come back to step 3, and* [...]
>

And that is a cue to skip to the next paragraph.


> *> Matter has a role in consciousness, that is correct, but that cannot be
> used to assert that matter is not explainable in term of coherent subset of
> computations*
>

All explanations need a language and mathematics is a language, but
explaining how a star can explode into a supernova does not cause a star to
explode into a supernova, stars did it for billions of years when there was
nobody around to give an explanation and nobody around to understand one.


> >> as is your habit you've changed your definition of “Mechanism"
>
> > This is dishonest at the extreme. Mechanism is YD + CT from the start.
>

I don't know what it is today but Just a few days ago in the language of
Brunospeak a belief in Mechanism mente saying "yes" to the digital doctor.  And
you've completely forgotten IHA.


> > *You are the one “religious” here.*
>

 And that is a cue to skip to the next paragraph.


> *> Maybe some universal number will play key role in the laws of the
> machine’s observable,*
>

I don't know about that but I can't deny that dentists know about "universal
numbers" and they seem to like them.

John K Clark

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