> On 28 Aug 2019, at 21:38, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 11:46 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >> There are 2 attributes that matter has that numbers don't, and I've said > >> this over and over, the ability to change, and the ability to interact > >> with time in such a way that cause always precedes effect. And both of > >> these attributes are vitally important in the making of a mind. > > > How much? > > 42 > > > just invoking a”god” without [...] > > And that is a cue to skip to the next paragraph. > > > Come back to step 3, and [...] > > And that is a cue to skip to the next paragraph. > > > Matter has a role in consciousness, that is correct, but that cannot be > > used to assert that matter is not explainable in term of coherent subset of > > computations > > All explanations need a language and mathematics is a language,
Mathematicians use a language, but what they study is not a language. I have already given counter-example (cf composition and partition of numbers). “2+2=4” is grammatically correct language, but so is “2+2=5”, yet the fact is that 2 + 2 = 4. > but explaining how a star can explode into a supernova does not cause a star > to explode into a supernova, Of course. > stars did it for billions of years when there was nobody around to give an > explanation and nobody around to understand one. When we prove that there is no biggest prime number, we don’t make the prime numbers being infinite. There was no biggest prime number "well before” Euclid proved it. Any way, if you believe that stars are made of primitive matter, then you become inconsistent when saying “yes” to a digitalist doctor. > > >> as is your habit you've changed your definition of “Mechanism" > > > This is dishonest at the extreme. Mechanism is YD + CT from the start. > > I don't know what it is today but Just a few days ago in the language of > Brunospeak a belief in Mechanism mente saying "yes" to the digital Not digital. But “digitalist”. Unless you say only yes to a doctor who has itself already say yes to a doctor. > doctor. And you've completely forgotten IHA. I add CT just to make sure people use “digitalist” in the same sense. So you just confirm that you did understand what I meant by Mechanism, and that I did not have changed the definition. Of course, I use not just the definition, but also its consequences. You persistently distract us from the question asked: what is the role of your primitive matter in consciousness (and what is your “primitive matter”, incidentally, can you give a theory of it, physics never assumes such a thing in their paper, except in foundational papers, when doing speculation in metaphysics). Bruno > > > You are the one “religious” here. > > And that is a cue to skip to the next paragraph. > > > Maybe some universal number will play key role in the laws of the machine’s > > observable, > > I don't know about that but I can't deny that dentists know about "universal > numbers" and they seem to like them. > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2tOn5DJ5FuaoHznxBSvcbHBQ1rqniz48HFDnA_2ZMGCQ%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2tOn5DJ5FuaoHznxBSvcbHBQ1rqniz48HFDnA_2ZMGCQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/6B4221F5-84A3-47DB-8F56-2B3023D39CCC%40ulb.ac.be.
