On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 5:29 AM Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/jan/09/soul-dust-nicholas-humphrey-review > > *> One doesn't solve the problem of consciousness (such as it is) by > saying that consciousness is really a kind of illusion. * I agree it's idiotic to say "consciousness is an illusion" but for those who say consciousness is a problem at all must explain what sort of explanation of the "problem" would satisfy them, and they cannot. Even if I could prove that X caused consciousness they would say X may cause consciousness but X is not consciousness so you have not solved the problem. The hardest thing about the hard problem of consciousness is not finding the answer but explaining exactly what the question is. *> Whatever difficulties there are in explaining the survival value of > consciousness* [...] If consciousness has survival value then it must effect behavior and so the Turing Test must work not just for intelligence but for consciousness too, and so you can't claim a smart robot is not conscious. And if consciousness does not have survival value then Darwin was wrong because he said Evolution produced me and I know for a fact that I am conscious. I don't think Darwin was wrong. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv21xCMgUHABg0FMEo%2BFyruscC8r24cOGiu_6WNFbON1vA%40mail.gmail.com.
