On 10/30/2019 2:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Oct 2019, at 19:01, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
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On 10/29/2019 4:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Obviously. But my point is that if 2 does not make sense, 2 electrons does not 
make sense either, and the Big Bang is no more something that we can today 
considered as real before us.
"2" and "Big Bang" are descriptive elements in our theories.
They are supposed to refer to things which we believe to be independent of us 
and of our theories.



Before us there is no one to hold the theories, no one to stand in the relation of 
"making sense to”.
Does this prevents us to believe that there was a big-bang before the humans? 
Or that 67 is odd, even in absence of human?

Of course not.  We invented the terms to describe what we believe. But it doesn't mean the terms themselves "made sense" a billion years ago; they make sense about things a billion years ago.  The terms and the "make sense" relation are in the present.

Brent


If it does, I’m afraid we are on a slope toward anthropocentrism if not 
solipsism.

Bruno

Brent

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