> On 26 Oct 2019, at 19:51, Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> On Saturday, October 26, 2019 at 3:36:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> 
> Then physics before the human appeared cannot make sense. How could the 
> Big-Bang even exists, if two electrons cannot exist without humans? 
> 
> Bruno 
> 
> If this is where the western intellectual trajectory is taking us then it is 
> small wonder that China is becoming the dominant actor in science, technology 
> and ultimately the rest of the world.


I am not sure. Taoisme is very close to neoplatonism, and neutral on the 
material/immaterial nature of the fundamental reality.

Anyway, you did not make a scientific argument for the existence of Primary 
Matter, but a political argument, almost against simply searching the truth in 
this domain. 

Well, actually, your point is unclear, as you quote me saying something which I 
find absurd. Obviously, I believe like most that animals existence, and 2+2 = 
4, where true, independently of the appearance of the humans. But not 
independently of the existence of computations in arithmetic.

Bruno




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