> On 22 Nov 2019, at 09:09, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List 
> <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Well... maybe when you are a 50 years old scientist, you can say that, but 
> this is not the spirit in which science is teached to children or popularized 
> to laymen. The spirit of science popularization is that it gives us the 
> truth, and we should obey or die. If scientists are such moral people, then 
> why they don't tell to their students in the first class of their course that 
> they will only present to them a model ? Instead, they jump right in: "Space 
> is such-and-such, time is such-and-such.". I never heard any professor of 
> mine telling us that they are only presenting us models.

Some do, but are rare. The problem is the implicit confusion between physics 
and metaphysics/theology make by the weak-materialist (the belief in some 
irreducible matter). In physics that is not important, like the switch to 
instrumentalism often made illustrate, but in metaphysics/theology, that 
distinction is crucial.

Bruno 



> 
> On Thursday, 21 November 2019 19:23:27 UTC+2, Brent wrote:
> The sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to  interpret, they 
> mainly make models. By a model is meant a  mathematical construct which, with 
> the addition of certain verbal  interpretations, describes observed 
> phenomena. The justification of  such a mathematical construct is solely and 
> precisely that it is  expected to work.
>     --—John von Neumann
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