On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 1:17:58 AM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 1:12:45 AM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 12:57:55 AM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 5:59 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 10:50:46 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 4:19 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Last sentence above: I mean that if it had a "start" with infinite >>>>>> spatial extent, that would seem to mean it did NOT have an infinite >>>>>> spatial >>>>>> extent just prior to the start. For me this seems like a singularity, an >>>>>> infinite physical process which occurs in zero time. If I were betting, >>>>>> I'd >>>>>> bet on a finite closed universe for any universe which "starts", not for >>>>>> the Multiverse. AG* >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can bet any way you want. I doubt that the universe gives a shit. >>>>> >>>>> Bruce >>>>> >>>> >>>> *I'd go further and ask one question: it obviously doesn't. Is this >>>> your idea of value-added? What I think it displays is your firmly held >>>> belief that it's flat, and anger that someone might think otherwise. Not >>>> your finest hour. AG * >>>> >>> >>> Not anger -- just frustration at your intransigence. I don't care what >>> you think, so why should I be angry? >>> >>> Bruce >>> >> > *Correction in CAPS below: * > >> >> *Annoyance is only slightly removed from anger. Maybe you're being >> intransigent. As Brent pointed out, many origin theories have a "beginning" >> or "start", so before that our universe CAME INTO BEING, IT didn't exist >> (not to be confused with the Multiverse, WHICH COULD BE ANYTHING, FLAT, >> ETERNAL, WHO KNOWS?). But then, magically perhaps, it comes into >> instantaneous existence having an infinite spatial extent since it's >> alleged to be flat. For a genius like you, there's nothing to be explained >> here. AG * >> > *If you had more intellectual integrity, a characteristic lacking in many physicists/hacks today, instead of mockery you might posit a universe without a beginning. AG *
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