On 1/24/2020 4:50 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 11:48 AM Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com <mailto:cloudver...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 6:42:35 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:



        Proto-bullshit is an intrinsic component of panpsychism.

        Brent



    What about is there or is there not a particle associated with the
    gravity field?


Photons (virtual) are associated with the E/M field. Gravitons (virtual) are associated with the quantized gravity field.

Bruce

Here's an interesting paper.  I don't understand a lot of it, but I think it means that there can be no global reference frame in which the same particles exist, i.e. Unruh radiation will necessarily exist in some frames and not others.  Maybe LC can explain it to me.

/*Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong this whole time*/

/To try to understand gravity on the quantum level, Hirosi Ooguri, the director of the Kavli Institute for the Physics and Mathematics of the Universe in Tokyo, and Daniel Harlow, an assistant professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, started with the holographic principle. This principle explains three-dimensional phenomena influenced by gravity on a two-dimensional flat space that is not influenced by gravity. This is not a real representation of our universe, but it is close enough to help researchers study its basic aspects.//
//
//The pair then showed how quantum error correcting codes, which explain how three-dimensional gravitational phenomena pop out from two dimensions, like holograms, are not compatible with any symmetry; meaning such symmetry cannot be possible in quantum gravity./

https://phys.org/news/2020-01-gravity-wrong.html
https://phys.org/news/2019-05-constraints-symmetries-holography.html
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**/Constraints on Symmetries from Holography/*/
//Daniel Harlow1 and Hirosi Ooguri//
//
//In this Letter we show that a set of old conjectures about symmetries in quantum gravity hold within the// //anti–de Sitter/conformal field theory correspondence. These conjectures are that no global symmetries are// //possible, that internal gauge symmetries must come with dynamical objects that transform in all irreducible// //representations, and that internal gauge groups must be compact. These conjectures are not obviously true// //from a bulk perspective, they are nontrivial consequences of the nonperturbative consistency of the// //correspondence. More details of and background for these arguments are presented in an accompanying paper/

https://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.122.191601

Brent

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