On 1/24/2020 7:51 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:


On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 5:51:12 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 11:48 AM Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com
    <javascript:>> wrote:

        On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 6:42:35 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:



            Proto-bullshit is an intrinsic component of panpsychism.

            Brent



        What about is there or is there not a particle associated with
        the gravity field?


    Photons (virtual) are associated with the E/M field. Gravitons
    (virtual) are associated with the quantized gravity field.


Photons "virtual"?  Am I seeing virtual photons impinging on my eyeballs?

No.  The photons you see with are real photons.  Virtual photons are off-shell particles used in Feynman diagrams to expand the Green's function.  They allow for static EM fields; one's that don't propagate.

As for gravitons, if we quantized gravity, they would the mediators of force, hence real. AG

Except quantizing gravity seems to necessarily lead to un-renormalizable infinities.  Gravitons are just the weak field approximation.  The basic problem is that general relativity is non-linear...gravitons attract gravitons.

Brent

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