> On 23 Jan 2020, at 20:29, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 9:33:23 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > Sean Carroll is right, we can only study the shadows on the cave wall, but we > can judge plausible the idea that they are only that: shadows of a deeper > reality, and not the fundamental reality itself. > > Bruno > > > > > > > Sean Carroll expresses a Platonist vs. Kantian view. > > Plato's Cave (Platonism) vs. Kant's Noumenon (Kantianism) > > The allegory is probably related to Plato's theory of Forms, according to > which the "Forms" (or "Ideas"), and not the material world known to us > through sensation, possess the highest and most fundamental kind of reality. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave> > > > > Humans can make sense out of phenomena in these various ways, but in doing so > can never know the "things-in-themselves", the actual objects and dynamics of > the natural world in their noumenal dimension - this being the negative > correlate to phenomena and that which escapes the limits of human > understanding. By Kant's Critique, our minds may attempt to correlate in > useful ways, perhaps even closely accurate ways, with the structure and order > of the various aspects of the universe, but cannot know these > "things-in-themselves" (noumena) directly. Rather, we must infer the extent > to which the human rational faculties can reach the object of > "things-in-themselves" by our observations of the manifestations of those > things that can be perceived via the physical senses, that is, of phenomena, > and by ordering these perceptions in the mind infer the validity of our > perceptions to the rational categories used to understand them in a rational > system, this rational system (transcendental analytic), being the categories > of the understanding as free from empirical contingency. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noumenon#Kant's_usage > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noumenon#Kant's_usage> > >
No problem with this. Bruno > @philipthrift > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/bd024747-3d98-454e-abbf-a708afeebd63%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/bd024747-3d98-454e-abbf-a708afeebd63%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/410BC1FD-467B-4DE3-9217-AEA00B10C151%40ulb.ac.be.
