Wittgenstein is at the core really of *linguistic pragmatism *

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism

Languages are tools. There is no truth "out there".

Philosophers are merely a type of *programming language theorists*.

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language_theory

@philipthrift 



On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
>
> I quite agree with Horwich and Wittgenstein as they refer to 
> meta-physics.  I think one contribution of meta-physics, as in analyzing 
> the interpretations of quantum mechanics, is what Wittgenstein called 
> "therapuetic", i.e. clarifying and identifying real problems versus 
> psuedo-problems of language.  But I think they also serve a purpose in 
> suggesting how science may advance, what new theories might be developed or 
> how old ones may be better understood.  Although the latter is generally 
> done by scientists who are specialists in the field, there are exceptions 
> like Tim Maudlin.  And from a meta-physical perspective, mathematicians are 
> nothing but armchair philosophers.
>
> Horwich doesn't seem to touch at all on moral and ethical philosophy, how 
> one should live one's life, as exemplified by the epicurieans, the stoics, 
> the existentialists,...  Someday neuroscience, evolution, AI, and decision 
> theory may make this field more scientific, but in the meantime there's a 
> place for philosophy.
>
> Brent
>
> On 2/18/2020 11:43 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
>
>
>
> https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/was-wittgenstein-right/
>
> *Was Wittgenstein Right?*
> BY PAUL HORWICH 
> MARCH 3, 2013
>
> A reminder of philosophy’s embarrassing failure, after over 2000 years, to 
> settle any of its central issues.
>
>
> The singular achievement of the controversial early 20th century 
> philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein was to have discerned the true nature of 
> Western philosophy — what is special about its problems, where they come 
> from, how they should and should not be addressed, and what can and cannot 
> be accomplished by grappling with them. The uniquely insightful answers 
> provided to these meta-questions are what give his treatments of specific 
> issues within the subject — concerning language, experience, knowledge, 
> mathematics, art and religion among them — a power of illumination that 
> cannot be found in the work of others.
>
> Admittedly, few would agree with this rosy assessment — certainly not many 
> professional philosophers. Apart from a small and ignored clique of 
> hard-core supporters the usual view these days is that his writing is 
> self-indulgently obscure and that behind the catchy slogans there is little 
> of intellectual value. But this dismissal disguises what is pretty clearly 
> the real cause of Wittgenstein’s unpopularity within departments of 
> philosophy: namely, his thoroughgoing rejection of the subject as 
> traditionally and currently practiced; his insistence that it can’t give us 
> the kind of knowledge generally regarded as its raison d’être.
>
> Wittgenstein claims that there are no realms of phenomena whose study is 
> the special business of a philosopher, and about which he or she should 
> devise profound a priori theories and sophisticated supporting arguments. 
> There are no startling discoveries to be made of facts, not open to the 
> methods of science, yet accessible “from the armchair” through some blend 
> of intuition, pure reason and conceptual analysis. Indeed the whole idea of 
> a subject that could yield such results is based on confusion and wishful 
> thinking.
>
> This attitude is in stark opposition to the traditional view, which 
> continues to prevail. Philosophy is respected, even exalted, for its 
> promise to provide fundamental insights into the human condition and the 
> ultimate character of the universe, leading to vital conclusions about how 
> we are to arrange our lives. It’s taken for granted that there is deep 
> understanding to be obtained of the nature of consciousness, of how 
> knowledge of the external world is possible, of whether our decisions can 
> be truly free, of the structure of any just society, and so on — and that 
> philosophy’s job is to provide such understanding. Isn’t that why we are so 
> fascinated by it?
>
> If so, then we are duped and bound to be disappointed, says Wittgenstein. 
> For these are mere pseudo-problems, the misbegotten products of linguistic 
> illusion and muddled thinking. So it should be entirely unsurprising that 
> the “philosophy” aiming to solve them has been marked by perennial 
> controversy and lack of decisive progress — by an embarrassing failure, 
> after over 2000 years, to settle any of its central issues. Therefore 
> traditional philosophical theorizing must give way to a painstaking 
> identification of its tempting but misguided presuppositions and an 
> understanding of how we ever came to regard them as legitimate. But in that 
> case, he asks, “[w]here does [our] investigation get its importance from, 
> since it seems only to destroy everything interesting, that is, all that is 
> great and important? (As it were all the buildings, leaving behind only 
> bits of stone and rubble)” — and answers that “(w)hat we are destroying is 
> nothing but houses of cards and we are clearing up the ground of language 
> on which they stand.”
>
> Given this extreme pessimism about the potential of philosophy — perhaps 
> tantamount to a denial that there is such a subject — it is hardly 
> surprising that “Wittgenstein” is uttered with a curl of the lip in most 
> philosophical circles. For who likes to be told that his or her life’s work 
> is confused and pointless? Thus, even Bertrand Russell, his early teacher 
> and enthusiastic supporter, was eventually led to complain peevishly that 
> Wittgenstein seems to have “grown tired of serious thinking and invented a 
> doctrine which would make such an activity unnecessary.”
>
> But what is that notorious doctrine, and can it be defended? We might boil 
> it down to four related claims.
>
> — The first is that traditional philosophy is scientistic: its primary 
> goals, which are to arrive at simple, general principles, to uncover 
> profound explanations, and to correct naïve opinions, are taken from the 
> sciences. And this is undoubtedly the case.
>
> —The second is that the non-empirical (“armchair”) character of 
> philosophical investigation — its focus on conceptual truth — is in tension 
> with those goals.  That’s because our concepts exhibit a highly 
> theory-resistant complexity and variability. They evolved, not for the sake 
> of science and its objectives, but rather in order to cater to the 
> interacting contingencies of our nature, our culture, our environment, our 
> communicative needs and our other purposes.  As a consequence the 
> commitments defining individual concepts are rarely simple or determinate, 
> and differ dramatically from one concept to another. Moreover, it is not 
> possible (as it is within empirical domains) to accommodate superficial 
> complexity by means of simple principles at a more basic (e.g. microscopic) 
> level.
>
> — The third main claim of Wittgenstein’s metaphilosophy — an immediate 
> consequence of the first two — is that traditional philosophy is 
> necessarily pervaded with oversimplification; analogies are unreasonably 
> inflated; exceptions to simple regularities are wrongly dismissed.
>
> — Therefore — the fourth claim — a decent approach to the subject must 
> avoid theory-construction and instead be merely “therapeutic,” confined to 
> exposing the irrational assumptions on which theory-oriented investigations 
> are based and the irrational conclusions to which they lead.
>
> Consider, for instance, the paradigmatically philosophical question: “What 
> is truth?”. This provokes perplexity because, on the one hand, it demands 
> an answer of the form, “Truth is such–and-such,” but on the other hand, 
> despite hundreds of years of looking, no acceptable answer of that kind has 
> ever been found. We’ve tried truth as “correspondence with the facts,” as 
> “provability,” as “practical utility,” and as “stable consensus”; but all 
> turned out to be defective in one way or another — either circular or 
> subject to counterexamples. Reactions to this impasse have included a 
> variety of theoretical proposals.  Some philosophers have been led to deny 
> that there is such a thing as absolute truth. Some have maintained 
> (insisting on one of the above definitions) that although truth exists, it 
> lacks certain features that are ordinarily attributed to it — for example, 
> that the truth may sometimes be impossible to discover. Some have inferred 
> that truth is intrinsically paradoxical and essentially incomprehensible. 
> And others persist in the attempt to devise a definition that will fit all 
> the intuitive data.
>
> But from Wittgenstein’s perspective each of the first three of these 
> strategies rides roughshod over our fundamental convictions about truth, 
> and the fourth is highly unlikely to succeed. Instead we should begin, he 
> thinks, by recognizing (as mentioned above) that our various concepts play 
> very different roles in our cognitive economy and (correspondingly) are 
> governed by defining principles of very different kinds. Therefore, it was 
> always a mistake to extrapolate from the fact that empirical concepts, such 
> as red or magnetic  or alive stand for properties with specifiable 
> underlying natures to the presumption that the notion of truth must stand 
> for some such property as well.
>
> Wittgenstein’s conceptual pluralism positions us to recognize that 
> notion’s idiosyncratic function, and to infer that truth itself will not be 
> reducible to anything more basic. More specifically, we can see that the 
> concept’s function in our cognitive economy is merely to serve as a device 
> of generalization. It enables us to say such things as “Einstein’s last 
> words were true,” and not be stuck with “If Einstein’s last words were that 
> E=mc², then E=mc2; and if his last words were that nuclear weapons should 
> be banned, then nuclear weapons should be banned; … and so on,” which has 
> the disadvantage of being infinitely long!  Similarly we can use it to say: 
> “We should want our beliefs to be true” (instead of struggling with “We 
> should want that if we believe that E=mc², then E=mc²; and that if we 
> believe … etc.”). We can see, also, that this sort of utility depends upon 
> nothing more than the fact that the attribution of truth to a statement is 
> obviously equivalent to the statement itself — for example, “It’s true that 
> E=mc²” is equivalent to “E=mc²”. Thus possession of the concept of truth 
> appears to consist in an appreciation of that triviality, rather than a 
> mastery of any explicit definition. The traditional search for such an 
> account (or for some other form of reductive analysis) was a wild-goose 
> chase, a pseudo-problem. Truth emerges as exceptionally unprofound and as 
> exceptionally unmysterious.
>
> This example illustrates the key components of Wittgenstein’s 
> metaphilosophy, and suggests how to flesh them out a little further. 
> Philosophical problems typically arise from the clash between the 
> inevitably idiosyncratic features of special-purpose concepts —true, good, 
> object, person, now, necessary — and the scientistically driven insistence 
> upon uniformity. Moreover, the various kinds of theoretical move designed 
> to resolve such conflicts (forms of skepticism, revisionism, mysterianism 
> and conservative systematization) are not only irrational, but 
> unmotivated.The paradoxes to which they respond should instead be resolved 
> merely by coming to appreciate the mistakes of perverse overgeneralization 
> from which they arose. And the fundamental source of this irrationality is 
> scientism.
>
> As Wittgenstein put it in the “The Blue Book”:
>
> Our craving for generality has [as one] source … our preoccupation with 
> the method of science. I mean the method of reducing the explanation of 
> natural phenomena to the smallest possible number of primitive natural 
> laws; and, in mathematics, of unifying the treatment of different topics by 
> using a generalization. Philosophers constantly see the method of science 
> before their eyes, and are irresistibly tempted to ask and answer in the 
> way science does. This tendency is the real source of metaphysics, and 
> leads the philosopher into complete darkness. I want to say here that it 
> can never be our job to reduce anything to anything, or to explain 
> anything. Philosophy really is “purely descriptive.
>
> These radical ideas are not obviously correct, and may on close scrutiny 
> turn out to be wrong. But they deserve to receive that scrutiny — to be 
> taken much more seriously than they are. Yes, most of us have been 
> interested in philosophy only because of its promise to deliver precisely 
> the sort of theoretical insights that Wittgenstein argues are illusory. But 
> such hopes are no defense against his critique. Besides, if he turns out to 
> be right, satisfaction enough may surely be found in what we still can get 
> — clarity, demystification and truth.
>
> NOTE: A response to this post by Michael P. Lynch will be published in The 
> Stone later this week.
> [ 
> https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/05/of-flies-and-philosophers-wittgenstein-and-philosophy/
>  
> ]
>
> Paul Horwich is a professor of philosophy at New York University. He is 
> the author of several books, including “Reflections on Meaning,” 
> “Truth-Meaning-Reality,” and most recently, “Wittgenstein’s Metaphilosophy.”
> [  https://as.nyu.edu/content/nyu-as/as/faculty/paul-g-horwich.html ]
>
>
> cf.
> *Language Games, Writing Games - Wittgenstein and Derrida: A Comparative 
> Study*
> Jolán Orbán
> https://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Lang/LangOrba.htm
>
>
> @philipthrift
>
>
>

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