But it is the same as 'Consciousness exists'.  The "true" is otiose; and probably the "exists" too.

Brent

On 2/19/2020 7:16 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
That's my view as well. However, the original article made reference to "absolute truth", and whether that concept is sensible. Thinking of Descartes' famous "I think, therefore I am", the word "I" is suspect, but we can do away with that and say it's absolutely true that "consciousness exists", and this is about as context-free a statement as one can make.

Terren


On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:20 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



    On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:


    Wittgenstein is at the core really of *linguistic pragmatism *

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism

    Languages are tools. There is no truth "out there".

    My view is that "true" means different things in different
    contexts.  Tacked onto a declarative sentence, it's just
    emphasis.  In science it's an the attribute of statements that can
    be confirmed empirically.  In logic and mathematics it's just a
    marker that is assigned to axioms and guaranteed to be preserved
    by the rules of inference.

    Brent


    Philosophers are merely a type of *programming language theorists*.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language_theory

    @philipthrift



    On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:

        I quite agree with Horwich and Wittgenstein as they refer to
        meta-physics.  I think one contribution of meta-physics, as
        in analyzing the interpretations of quantum mechanics, is
        what Wittgenstein called "therapuetic", i.e. clarifying and
        identifying real problems versus psuedo-problems of
        language.  But I think they also serve a purpose in
        suggesting how science may advance, what new theories might
        be developed or how old ones may be better understood. 
        Although the latter is generally done by scientists who are
        specialists in the field, there are exceptions like Tim
        Maudlin. And from a meta-physical perspective, mathematicians
        are nothing but armchair philosophers.

        Horwich doesn't seem to touch at all on moral and ethical
        philosophy, how one should live one's life, as exemplified by
        the epicurieans, the stoics, the existentialists,...  Someday
        neuroscience, evolution, AI, and decision theory may make
        this field more scientific, but in the meantime there's a
        place for philosophy.

        Brent

        On 2/18/2020 11:43 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:


        https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/was-wittgenstein-right/

        *Was Wittgenstein Right?*
        BY PAUL HORWICH
        MARCH 3, 2013

        A reminder of philosophy’s embarrassing failure, after over
        2000 years, to settle any of its central issues.


        The singular achievement of the controversial early 20th
        century philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein was to have
        discerned the true nature of Western philosophy — what is
        special about its problems, where they come from, how they
        should and should not be addressed, and what can and cannot
        be accomplished by grappling with them. The uniquely
        insightful answers provided to these meta-questions are what
        give his treatments of specific issues within the subject —
        concerning language, experience, knowledge, mathematics, art
        and religion among them — a power of illumination that
        cannot be found in the work of others.

        Admittedly, few would agree with this rosy assessment —
        certainly not many professional philosophers. Apart from a
        small and ignored clique of hard-core supporters the usual
        view these days is that his writing is self-indulgently
        obscure and that behind the catchy slogans there is little
        of intellectual value. But this dismissal disguises what is
        pretty clearly the real cause of Wittgenstein’s unpopularity
        within departments of philosophy: namely, his thoroughgoing
        rejection of the subject as traditionally and currently
        practiced; his insistence that it can’t give us the kind of
        knowledge generally regarded as its raison d’être.

        Wittgenstein claims that there are no realms of phenomena
        whose study is the special business of a philosopher, and
        about which he or she should devise profound a priori
        theories and sophisticated supporting arguments. There are
        no startling discoveries to be made of facts, not open to
        the methods of science, yet accessible “from the armchair”
        through some blend of intuition, pure reason and conceptual
        analysis. Indeed the whole idea of a subject that could
        yield such results is based on confusion and wishful thinking.

        This attitude is in stark opposition to the traditional
        view, which continues to prevail. Philosophy is respected,
        even exalted, for its promise to provide fundamental
        insights into the human condition and the ultimate character
        of the universe, leading to vital conclusions about how we
        are to arrange our lives. It’s taken for granted that there
        is deep understanding to be obtained of the nature of
        consciousness, of how knowledge of the external world is
        possible, of whether our decisions can be truly free, of the
        structure of any just society, and so on — and that
        philosophy’s job is to provide such understanding. Isn’t
        that why we are so fascinated by it?

        If so, then we are duped and bound to be disappointed, says
        Wittgenstein. For these are mere pseudo-problems, the
        misbegotten products of linguistic illusion and muddled
        thinking. So it should be entirely unsurprising that the
        “philosophy” aiming to solve them has been marked by
        perennial controversy and lack of decisive progress — by an
        embarrassing failure, after over 2000 years, to settle any
        of its central issues. Therefore traditional philosophical
        theorizing must give way to a painstaking identification of
        its tempting but misguided presuppositions and an
        understanding of how we ever came to regard them as
        legitimate. But in that case, he asks, “[w]here does [our]
        investigation get its importance from, since it seems only
        to destroy everything interesting, that is, all that is
        great and important? (As it were all the buildings, leaving
        behind only bits of stone and rubble)” — and answers that
        “(w)hat we are destroying is nothing but houses of cards and
        we are clearing up the ground of language on which they stand.”

        Given this extreme pessimism about the potential of
        philosophy — perhaps tantamount to a denial that there is
        such a subject — it is hardly surprising that “Wittgenstein”
        is uttered with a curl of the lip in most philosophical
        circles. For who likes to be told that his or her life’s
        work is confused and pointless? Thus, even Bertrand Russell,
        his early teacher and enthusiastic supporter, was eventually
        led to complain peevishly that Wittgenstein seems to have
        “grown tired of serious thinking and invented a doctrine
        which would make such an activity unnecessary.”

        But what is that notorious doctrine, and can it be defended?
        We might boil it down to four related claims.

        — The first is that traditional philosophy is scientistic:
        its primary goals, which are to arrive at simple, general
        principles, to uncover profound explanations, and to correct
        naïve opinions, are taken from the sciences. And this is
        undoubtedly the case.

        —The second is that the non-empirical (“armchair”) character
        of philosophical investigation — its focus on conceptual
        truth — is in tension with those goals. That’s because our
        concepts exhibit a highly theory-resistant complexity and
        variability. They evolved, not for the sake of science and
        its objectives, but rather in order to cater to the
        interacting contingencies of our nature, our culture, our
        environment, our communicative needs and our other
        purposes.  As a consequence the commitments defining
        individual concepts are rarely simple or determinate, and
        differ dramatically from one concept to another. Moreover,
        it is not possible (as it is within empirical domains) to
        accommodate superficial complexity by means of simple
        principles at a more basic (e.g. microscopic) level.

        — The third main claim of Wittgenstein’s metaphilosophy — an
        immediate consequence of the first two — is that traditional
        philosophy is necessarily pervaded with oversimplification;
        analogies are unreasonably inflated; exceptions to simple
        regularities are wrongly dismissed.

        — Therefore — the fourth claim — a decent approach to the
        subject must avoid theory-construction and instead be merely
        “therapeutic,” confined to exposing the irrational
        assumptions on which theory-oriented investigations are
        based and the irrational conclusions to which they lead.

        Consider, for instance, the paradigmatically philosophical
        question: “What is truth?”. This provokes perplexity
        because, on the one hand, it demands an answer of the form,
        “Truth is such–and-such,” but on the other hand, despite
        hundreds of years of looking, no acceptable answer of that
        kind has ever been found. We’ve tried truth as
        “correspondence with the facts,” as “provability,” as
        “practical utility,” and as “stable consensus”; but all
        turned out to be defective in one way or another — either
        circular or subject to counterexamples. Reactions to this
        impasse have included a variety of theoretical proposals. 
        Some philosophers have been led to deny that there is such a
        thing as absolute truth. Some have maintained (insisting on
        one of the above definitions) that although truth exists, it
        lacks certain features that are ordinarily attributed to it
        — for example, that the truth may sometimes be impossible to
        discover. Some have inferred that truth is intrinsically
        paradoxical and essentially incomprehensible. And others
        persist in the attempt to devise a definition that will fit
        all the intuitive data.

        But from Wittgenstein’s perspective each of the first three
        of these strategies rides roughshod over our fundamental
        convictions about truth, and the fourth is highly unlikely
        to succeed. Instead we should begin, he thinks, by
        recognizing (as mentioned above) that our various concepts
        play very different roles in our cognitive economy and
        (correspondingly) are governed by defining principles of
        very different kinds. Therefore, it was always a mistake to
        extrapolate from the fact that empirical concepts, such as
        red or magnetic  or alive stand for properties with
        specifiable underlying natures to the presumption that the
        notion of truth must stand for some such property as well.

        Wittgenstein’s conceptual pluralism positions us to
        recognize that notion’s idiosyncratic function, and to infer
        that truth itself will not be reducible to anything more
        basic. More specifically, we can see that the concept’s
        function in our cognitive economy is merely to serve as a
        device of generalization. It enables us to say such things
        as “Einstein’s last words were true,” and not be stuck with
        “If Einstein’s last words were that E=mc², then E=mc2; and
        if his last words were that nuclear weapons should be
        banned, then nuclear weapons should be banned; … and so on,”
        which has the disadvantage of being infinitely long! 
        Similarly we can use it to say: “We should want our beliefs
        to be true” (instead of struggling with “We should want that
        if we believe that E=mc², then E=mc²; and that if we believe
        … etc.”). We can see, also, that this sort of utility
        depends upon nothing more than the fact that the attribution
        of truth to a statement is obviously equivalent to the
        statement itself — for example, “It’s true that E=mc²” is
        equivalent to “E=mc²”. Thus possession of the concept of
        truth appears to consist in an appreciation of that
        triviality, rather than a mastery of any explicit
        definition. The traditional search for such an account (or
        for some other form of reductive analysis) was a wild-goose
        chase, a pseudo-problem. Truth emerges as exceptionally
        unprofound and as exceptionally unmysterious.

        This example illustrates the key components of
        Wittgenstein’s metaphilosophy, and suggests how to flesh
        them out a little further. Philosophical problems typically
        arise from the clash between the inevitably idiosyncratic
        features of special-purpose concepts —true, good, object,
        person, now, necessary — and the scientistically driven
        insistence upon uniformity. Moreover, the various kinds of
        theoretical move designed to resolve such conflicts (forms
        of skepticism, revisionism, mysterianism and conservative
        systematization) are not only irrational, but
        unmotivated.The paradoxes to which they respond should
        instead be resolved merely by coming to appreciate the
        mistakes of perverse overgeneralization from which they
        arose. And the fundamental source of this irrationality is
        scientism.

        As Wittgenstein put it in the “The Blue Book”:

        Our craving for generality has [as one] source … our
        preoccupation with the method of science. I mean the method
        of reducing the explanation of natural phenomena to the
        smallest possible number of primitive natural laws; and, in
        mathematics, of unifying the treatment of different topics
        by using a generalization. Philosophers constantly see the
        method of science before their eyes, and are irresistibly
        tempted to ask and answer in the way science does. This
        tendency is the real source of metaphysics, and leads the
        philosopher into complete darkness. I want to say here that
        it can never be our job to reduce anything to anything, or
        to explain anything. Philosophy really is “purely descriptive.

        These radical ideas are not obviously correct, and may on
        close scrutiny turn out to be wrong. But they deserve to
        receive that scrutiny — to be taken much more seriously than
        they are. Yes, most of us have been interested in philosophy
        only because of its promise to deliver precisely the sort of
        theoretical insights that Wittgenstein argues are illusory.
        But such hopes are no defense against his critique. Besides,
        if he turns out to be right, satisfaction enough may surely
        be found in what we still can get — clarity, demystification
        and truth.

        NOTE: A response to this post by Michael P. Lynch will be
        published in The Stone later this week.
        [
        
https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/05/of-flies-and-philosophers-wittgenstein-and-philosophy/
        ]

        Paul Horwich is a professor of philosophy at New York
        University. He is the author of several books, including
        “Reflections on Meaning,” “Truth-Meaning-Reality,” and most
        recently, “Wittgenstein’s Metaphilosophy.”
        [
        https://as.nyu.edu/content/nyu-as/as/faculty/paul-g-horwich.html
        ]


        cf.
        *Language Games, Writing Games - Wittgenstein and Derrida: A
        Comparative Study*
        Jolán Orbán
        https://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Lang/LangOrba.htm


        @philipthrift

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