On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:


Wittgenstein is at the core really of *linguistic pragmatism *

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism

Languages are tools. There is no truth "out there".

My view is that "true" means different things in different contexts.  Tacked onto a declarative sentence, it's just emphasis. In science it's an the attribute of statements that can be confirmed empirically.  In logic and mathematics it's just a marker that is assigned to axioms and guaranteed to be preserved by the rules of inference.

Brent


Philosophers are merely a type of *programming language theorists*.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language_theory

@philipthrift



On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:

    I quite agree with Horwich and Wittgenstein as they refer to
    meta-physics.  I think one contribution of meta-physics, as in
    analyzing the interpretations of quantum mechanics, is what
    Wittgenstein called "therapuetic", i.e. clarifying and identifying
    real problems versus psuedo-problems of language.  But I think
    they also serve a purpose in suggesting how science may advance,
    what new theories might be developed or how old ones may be better
    understood. Although the latter is generally done by scientists
    who are specialists in the field, there are exceptions like Tim
    Maudlin.  And from a meta-physical perspective, mathematicians are
    nothing but armchair philosophers.

    Horwich doesn't seem to touch at all on moral and ethical
    philosophy, how one should live one's life, as exemplified by the
    epicurieans, the stoics, the existentialists,...  Someday
    neuroscience, evolution, AI, and decision theory may make this
    field more scientific, but in the meantime there's a place for
    philosophy.

    Brent

    On 2/18/2020 11:43 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:


    https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/was-wittgenstein-right/
    <https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/was-wittgenstein-right/>

    *Was Wittgenstein Right?*
    BY PAUL HORWICH
    MARCH 3, 2013

    A reminder of philosophy’s embarrassing failure, after over 2000
    years, to settle any of its central issues.


    The singular achievement of the controversial early 20th century
    philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein was to have discerned the true
    nature of Western philosophy — what is special about its
    problems, where they come from, how they should and should not be
    addressed, and what can and cannot be accomplished by grappling
    with them. The uniquely insightful answers provided to these
    meta-questions are what give his treatments of specific issues
    within the subject — concerning language, experience, knowledge,
    mathematics, art and religion among them — a power of
    illumination that cannot be found in the work of others.

    Admittedly, few would agree with this rosy assessment — certainly
    not many professional philosophers. Apart from a small and
    ignored clique of hard-core supporters the usual view these days
    is that his writing is self-indulgently obscure and that behind
    the catchy slogans there is little of intellectual value. But
    this dismissal disguises what is pretty clearly the real cause of
    Wittgenstein’s unpopularity within departments of philosophy:
    namely, his thoroughgoing rejection of the subject as
    traditionally and currently practiced; his insistence that it
    can’t give us the kind of knowledge generally regarded as its
    raison d’être.

    Wittgenstein claims that there are no realms of phenomena whose
    study is the special business of a philosopher, and about which
    he or she should devise profound a priori theories and
    sophisticated supporting arguments. There are no startling
    discoveries to be made of facts, not open to the methods of
    science, yet accessible “from the armchair” through some blend of
    intuition, pure reason and conceptual analysis. Indeed the whole
    idea of a subject that could yield such results is based on
    confusion and wishful thinking.

    This attitude is in stark opposition to the traditional view,
    which continues to prevail. Philosophy is respected, even
    exalted, for its promise to provide fundamental insights into the
    human condition and the ultimate character of the universe,
    leading to vital conclusions about how we are to arrange our
    lives. It’s taken for granted that there is deep understanding to
    be obtained of the nature of consciousness, of how knowledge of
    the external world is possible, of whether our decisions can be
    truly free, of the structure of any just society, and so on — and
    that philosophy’s job is to provide such understanding. Isn’t
    that why we are so fascinated by it?

    If so, then we are duped and bound to be disappointed, says
    Wittgenstein. For these are mere pseudo-problems, the misbegotten
    products of linguistic illusion and muddled thinking. So it
    should be entirely unsurprising that the “philosophy” aiming to
    solve them has been marked by perennial controversy and lack of
    decisive progress — by an embarrassing failure, after over 2000
    years, to settle any of its central issues. Therefore traditional
    philosophical theorizing must give way to a painstaking
    identification of its tempting but misguided presuppositions and
    an understanding of how we ever came to regard them as
    legitimate. But in that case, he asks, “[w]here does [our]
    investigation get its importance from, since it seems only to
    destroy everything interesting, that is, all that is great and
    important? (As it were all the buildings, leaving behind only
    bits of stone and rubble)” — and answers that “(w)hat we are
    destroying is nothing but houses of cards and we are clearing up
    the ground of language on which they stand.”

    Given this extreme pessimism about the potential of philosophy —
    perhaps tantamount to a denial that there is such a subject — it
    is hardly surprising that “Wittgenstein” is uttered with a curl
    of the lip in most philosophical circles. For who likes to be
    told that his or her life’s work is confused and pointless? Thus,
    even Bertrand Russell, his early teacher and enthusiastic
    supporter, was eventually led to complain peevishly that
    Wittgenstein seems to have “grown tired of serious thinking and
    invented a doctrine which would make such an activity unnecessary.”

    But what is that notorious doctrine, and can it be defended? We
    might boil it down to four related claims.

    — The first is that traditional philosophy is scientistic: its
    primary goals, which are to arrive at simple, general principles,
    to uncover profound explanations, and to correct naïve opinions,
    are taken from the sciences. And this is undoubtedly the case.

    —The second is that the non-empirical (“armchair”) character of
    philosophical investigation — its focus on conceptual truth — is
    in tension with those goals.  That’s because our concepts exhibit
    a highly theory-resistant complexity and variability. They
    evolved, not for the sake of science and its objectives, but
    rather in order to cater to the interacting contingencies of our
    nature, our culture, our environment, our communicative needs and
    our other purposes.  As a consequence the commitments defining
    individual concepts are rarely simple or determinate, and differ
    dramatically from one concept to another. Moreover, it is not
    possible (as it is within empirical domains) to accommodate
    superficial complexity by means of simple principles at a more
    basic (e.g. microscopic) level.

    — The third main claim of Wittgenstein’s metaphilosophy — an
    immediate consequence of the first two — is that traditional
    philosophy is necessarily pervaded with oversimplification;
    analogies are unreasonably inflated; exceptions to simple
    regularities are wrongly dismissed.

    — Therefore — the fourth claim — a decent approach to the subject
    must avoid theory-construction and instead be merely
    “therapeutic,” confined to exposing the irrational assumptions on
    which theory-oriented investigations are based and the irrational
    conclusions to which they lead.

    Consider, for instance, the paradigmatically philosophical
    question: “What is truth?”. This provokes perplexity because, on
    the one hand, it demands an answer of the form, “Truth is
    such–and-such,” but on the other hand, despite hundreds of years
    of looking, no acceptable answer of that kind has ever been
    found. We’ve tried truth as “correspondence with the facts,” as
    “provability,” as “practical utility,” and as “stable consensus”;
    but all turned out to be defective in one way or another — either
    circular or subject to counterexamples. Reactions to this impasse
    have included a variety of theoretical proposals.  Some
    philosophers have been led to deny that there is such a thing as
    absolute truth. Some have maintained (insisting on one of the
    above definitions) that although truth exists, it lacks certain
    features that are ordinarily attributed to it — for example, that
    the truth may sometimes be impossible to discover. Some have
    inferred that truth is intrinsically paradoxical and essentially
    incomprehensible. And others persist in the attempt to devise a
    definition that will fit all the intuitive data.

    But from Wittgenstein’s perspective each of the first three of
    these strategies rides roughshod over our fundamental convictions
    about truth, and the fourth is highly unlikely to succeed.
    Instead we should begin, he thinks, by recognizing (as mentioned
    above) that our various concepts play very different roles in our
    cognitive economy and (correspondingly) are governed by defining
    principles of very different kinds. Therefore, it was always a
    mistake to extrapolate from the fact that empirical concepts,
    such as red or magnetic  or alive stand for properties with
    specifiable underlying natures to the presumption that the notion
    of truth must stand for some such property as well.

    Wittgenstein’s conceptual pluralism positions us to recognize
    that notion’s idiosyncratic function, and to infer that truth
    itself will not be reducible to anything more basic. More
    specifically, we can see that the concept’s function in our
    cognitive economy is merely to serve as a device of
    generalization. It enables us to say such things as “Einstein’s
    last words were true,” and not be stuck with “If Einstein’s last
    words were that E=mc², then E=mc2; and if his last words were
    that nuclear weapons should be banned, then nuclear weapons
    should be banned; … and so on,” which has the disadvantage of
    being infinitely long! Similarly we can use it to say: “We should
    want our beliefs to be true” (instead of struggling with “We
    should want that if we believe that E=mc², then E=mc²; and that
    if we believe … etc.”). We can see, also, that this sort of
    utility depends upon nothing more than the fact that the
    attribution of truth to a statement is obviously equivalent to
    the statement itself — for example, “It’s true that E=mc²” is
    equivalent to “E=mc²”. Thus possession of the concept of truth
    appears to consist in an appreciation of that triviality, rather
    than a mastery of any explicit definition. The traditional search
    for such an account (or for some other form of reductive
    analysis) was a wild-goose chase, a pseudo-problem. Truth emerges
    as exceptionally unprofound and as exceptionally unmysterious.

    This example illustrates the key components of Wittgenstein’s
    metaphilosophy, and suggests how to flesh them out a little
    further. Philosophical problems typically arise from the clash
    between the inevitably idiosyncratic features of special-purpose
    concepts —true, good, object, person, now, necessary — and the
    scientistically driven insistence upon uniformity. Moreover, the
    various kinds of theoretical move designed to resolve such
    conflicts (forms of skepticism, revisionism, mysterianism and
    conservative systematization) are not only irrational, but
    unmotivated.The paradoxes to which they respond should instead be
    resolved merely by coming to appreciate the mistakes of perverse
    overgeneralization from which they arose. And the fundamental
    source of this irrationality is scientism.

    As Wittgenstein put it in the “The Blue Book”:

    Our craving for generality has [as one] source … our
    preoccupation with the method of science. I mean the method of
    reducing the explanation of natural phenomena to the smallest
    possible number of primitive natural laws; and, in mathematics,
    of unifying the treatment of different topics by using a
    generalization. Philosophers constantly see the method of science
    before their eyes, and are irresistibly tempted to ask and answer
    in the way science does. This tendency is the real source of
    metaphysics, and leads the philosopher into complete darkness. I
    want to say here that it can never be our job to reduce anything
    to anything, or to explain anything. Philosophy really is “purely
    descriptive.

    These radical ideas are not obviously correct, and may on close
    scrutiny turn out to be wrong. But they deserve to receive that
    scrutiny — to be taken much more seriously than they are. Yes,
    most of us have been interested in philosophy only because of its
    promise to deliver precisely the sort of theoretical insights
    that Wittgenstein argues are illusory. But such hopes are no
    defense against his critique. Besides, if he turns out to be
    right, satisfaction enough may surely be found in what we still
    can get — clarity, demystification and truth.

    NOTE: A response to this post by Michael P. Lynch will be
    published in The Stone later this week.
    [
    
https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/05/of-flies-and-philosophers-wittgenstein-and-philosophy/
    
<https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/05/of-flies-and-philosophers-wittgenstein-and-philosophy/>
    ]

    Paul Horwich is a professor of philosophy at New York University.
    He is the author of several books, including “Reflections on
    Meaning,” “Truth-Meaning-Reality,” and most recently,
    “Wittgenstein’s Metaphilosophy.”
    [
    https://as.nyu.edu/content/nyu-as/as/faculty/paul-g-horwich.html
    <https://as.nyu.edu/content/nyu-as/as/faculty/paul-g-horwich.html> ]


    cf.
    *Language Games, Writing Games - Wittgenstein and Derrida: A
    Comparative Study*
    Jolán Orbán
    https://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Lang/LangOrba.htm
    <https://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Lang/LangOrba.htm>


    @philipthrift

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