> On 6 Jan 2021, at 14:19, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think there is no split, but continuous differentiation. So there is always > an infinity of worlds. Or there is no world at all and only consciousness > differentiation.
That’s better :) Yes, in the arithmetical reality (aka the standard model of Arithmetic, the structure (N, 0, +, *) each universal number is the initial point of its many histories, where his consciousness start to diverge in infinitely many histories/consciousness stream. Bruno > > Quentin > > Le mer. 6 janv. 2021 à 14:17, scerir via Everything List > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > a écrit : > Worlds, worlds. What are these worlds? When a pig observes a Young > interferometer does this pig create worlds? Does this pig split worlds? Or > not, because there is not full consciousness? And in Alpha Centauri, where > there are no pigs, no humans, no consciousness, no Young interferometers? No > Franson interferometers either ... > > -- > Inviato da Libero Mail per Android > > Mercoledì, 06 Gennaio 2021, 01:28PM +01:00 da Quentin Anciaux > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>: > > Here a schema: > > > After 3 experiments, you have *8* worlds... each with the memory of the > initial experiment, 4 of the 2nd version A and for of the 2nd version B... etc > > Every *worlds* has a past which is linked directly with the previous > experiment and to the initial experiment... in each world there is an > ensemble of 3 results. > > Quentin > > Le mer. 6 janv. 2021 à 13:01, Alan Grayson <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : > I should have been more explicit; since the trials are independent, the other > worlds implied by the MWI for any particular trial, are unrelated to the > other worlds created for any OTHER particular trial. Thus, each other world > has an ensemble with one element, insufficient for the existence of > probabilities. AG > > On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 4:41:57 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: > On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 3:33:52 AM UTC-7 [email protected] <> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 10:05 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected] <>> wrote: > > >> One world contains an Alan Grayson that sees the electron go left, another > >> world is absolutely identical in every way except that it contains a Alan > >> Grayson that sees the electron go right. So you tell me, which of those 2 > >> worlds is "THIS WORLD"? > > > It's the world where a living being can observe the trials being measured. > > The other world is in your imagination (if you believe in the MWI). AG > > From that response I take it you have abandoned your attempt to poke logical > holes in the Many Worlds Interpretation and instead have resorted to a pure > emotional appeal; namely that there must be a fundamental law of physics that > says anything Alan Grayson finds to be odd cannot exist, and Alan Grayson > finds many Worlds to be odd. Personally I find Many Worlds to be odd too, > although it's the least odd of all the quantum interpretations, however I > don't think nature cares very much if you or I approve of it or not. From > experimentation it's clear to me that if Many Worlds is not true then > something even stranger is. > > I have no idea whatsoever, how you reached your conclusions above. There are > things called laboratories, where physicists conduct experiments, some of > which are quantum experiments with probabilistic outcomes. The world in which > such things exist, I call THIS world. Worlds postulated to exist based on the > claim that any possible measurement, must be a realized measurement in > another world, I call OTHER worlds. Those OTHER worlds are imagined to exist > based on the MWI. These are simple facts. I am not making any emotional > appeals to anything. The possible oddness of the Cosmos is not affirmed or > denied here. I agree the Cosmos might be odd, possibly very odd, but this has > nothing to do with our discussion. The core of my argument is that since the > trial outcomes in quantum experiments are independent of one another, there's > no reason to claim that each of the OTHER worlds accumulates ensembles, as an > ensemble is created in THIS world. Without ensembles in those OTHER worlds, > the MWI fails to affirm the existence of probability in any of those OTHER > worlds. 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