Why do you assume that the initial observer splits after initial trial when it's not observed? AG
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 5:28:51 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote: > Here a schema: > [image: image.png] > > After 3 experiments, you have *8* worlds... each with the memory of the > initial experiment, 4 of the 2nd version A and for of the 2nd version B... > etc > > Every *worlds* has a past which is linked directly with the previous > experiment and to the initial experiment... in each world there is an > ensemble of 3 results. > > Quentin > > Le mer. 6 janv. 2021 à 13:01, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit : > >> I should have been more explicit; since the trials are independent, the >> other worlds implied by the MWI for any particular trial, are unrelated to >> the other worlds created for any OTHER particular trial. Thus, each other >> world has an ensemble with one element, insufficient for the existence of >> probabilities. AG >> >> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 4:41:57 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 3:33:52 AM UTC-7 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 10:05 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >> One world contains an Alan Grayson that sees the electron go left, >>>>>> another world is absolutely identical in every way except that it >>>>>> contains >>>>>> a Alan Grayson that sees the electron go right. So you tell me, which >>>>>> of >>>>>> those 2 worlds is "THIS WORLD"? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *> It's the world where a living being can observe the trials being >>>>> measured. The other world is in your imagination (if you believe in the >>>>> MWI). AG * >>>>> >>>> >>>> From that response I take it you have abandoned your attempt to poke >>>> logical >>>> holes in the Many Worlds Interpretation and instead have resorted to a >>>> pure emotional appeal; namely that there must be a fundamental law of >>>> physics that says anything Alan Grayson finds to be odd cannot exist, >>>> and Alan Grayson finds many Worlds to be odd. Personally I find Many >>>> Worlds to be odd too, although it's the least odd of all the quantum >>>> interpretations, however I don't think nature cares very much if you or I >>>> approve of it or not. From experimentation it's clear to me that if Many >>>> Worlds is not true then something even stranger is. >>>> >>> >>> I have no idea whatsoever, how you reached your conclusions above. There >>> are things called laboratories, where physicists conduct experiments, some >>> of which are quantum experiments with probabilistic outcomes. The world in >>> which such things exist, I call THIS world. Worlds postulated to exist >>> based on the claim that any possible measurement, must be a realized >>> measurement in another world, I call OTHER worlds. Those OTHER worlds are >>> imagined to exist based on the MWI. These are simple facts. I am not making >>> any emotional appeals to anything. The possible oddness of the Cosmos is >>> not affirmed or denied here. I agree the Cosmos might be odd, possibly very >>> odd, but this has nothing to do with our discussion. The core of my >>> argument is that since the trial outcomes in quantum experiments are >>> independent of one another, there's no reason to claim that each of the >>> OTHER worlds accumulates ensembles, as an ensemble is created in THIS >>> world. Without ensembles in those OTHER worlds, the MWI fails to affirm the >>> existence of probability in any of those OTHER worlds. AG >>> >>>> >>>> See my new list at Extropolis >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >>>> >>>> John K Clark >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/55a83617-d49c-403c-a679-02025441ef6fn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/55a83617-d49c-403c-a679-02025441ef6fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy > Batty/Rutger Hauer) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c34db1ae-a69d-43f8-9470-31aef308b14cn%40googlegroups.com.
