> On 10 Mar 2021, at 14:08, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 5:45 PM spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > I kind of side with Canadian philosopher John Leslie, as well as British > astronomer, James Jeans on this question. Both Leslie and Jeans see the > cosmos as a Great Thought. I formalize their conjectures as a Great Program. > One may ask, running on what? > > > I agree that thought is in a sense, more fundamental (existing prior to) the > observed. Of course the next question is what explains the origin of this > thought? This is the answer I now tell myself (I welcome > revisions/improvements): > > If one accepts the independent existence of mathematical truths, like "2 + 2 > = 4" then, due to Turing universal equations, one must also accept truths > like "The 1,829,735th step of program #789 contains a bit string "01011101". > > We can keep going, and extend this to say, programs that describe computable > physical worlds, and relate the bit strings representing those generated > states to facts about these computable realities > > It therefore becomes a mathematically provable fact that "there exists a > universal equation that includes an encoding of this very e-mail, written by > a computational version of a person just like me, who exists as part of a > computed physical reality which looks just like our observable universe." > > So if 2+2=4, then thoughts exist.
Indeed :) Bruno > > Jason > > > > On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 Jason Resch <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:37 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > > On 3/9/2021 12:22 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:57 AM Kim Jones <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> What was there before there was nothing? >> >> I don't believe reality was ever a state of absolute nothingness. Rather, >> there are things that exist necessarily: logical laws, truth, properties of >> numbers, etc. Some of these truths and number relations concern and define >> all computational histories, and the appearance of a physical reality is a >> result of these computations creating consciousness observers. See: >> https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#A_Story_of_Creation >> <https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#A_Story_of_Creation> > But you're casually confounding different sense of "exist". Logical laws, > number, etc are derivative on language. They don't "exist" physically. The > logicians meaning of exist is just to satisfy a predicate. Any sensible > discussion of "exist"needs to start with recognizing it has several different > meanings. > > Hi Brent, > > You are right there are various senses of the word "exists". > > I dedicate a section specifically to this issue, and define three types, or > modes of existence: > https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Three_Modes_of_Existence > <https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Three_Modes_of_Existence> > > Jason > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhz5QF90QwoJfbF-u76tuYr%2B61fY5%3D%2BbkhjLZMxxqrqEA%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhz5QF90QwoJfbF-u76tuYr%2B61fY5%3D%2BbkhjLZMxxqrqEA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1268362286.989763.1615333541353%40mail.yahoo.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1268362286.989763.1615333541353%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUg5zZT%2BnX2oWtTOobPBnx_C_vOLQ%3D7-6rsnOTm1VZX6BA%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUg5zZT%2BnX2oWtTOobPBnx_C_vOLQ%3D7-6rsnOTm1VZX6BA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9F2F39C5-B315-48BA-973C-0A6F83C94FC2%40ulb.ac.be.
