> On 11 Mar 2021, at 05:43, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 8:00 PM spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > Well for this knuckle dragging savage, I compulsively am driven towards how > can our species make use of science and philosophy to make life better? We > may chose to view your fellow compuationalist philosopher, Juergen > Schmidhuber, viewing God (you know He doesn't like to be called that!) As > being The Great Programmer. Yet, we primates are behaviorally motivated by > rewards, so we would have to gain a material reason to act in common? > > I believe that a universal ethics, can follow from theories of personal > identity. > > To me, the most sensible of which suggest universalism / open individualism: > the idea that there is only one mind and we are all it.
OK. But that might belong to “G* minus G”, making such an idea true, but expressing it might delay it (!). It is also hard to say to someone suffering a particular problem (disease, pain). Some medication can help, but hereto, the truth is double-edged. > > This converts self interest into a common interest for the good of all > sentient beings. I agree. Sometimes I think it could be good that our work are not signed. Papers would be judged and perhaps published without the name of the authors, like … in the Middle-Âge. But that would be too much, and could make us into sort of “ants”, and as I say above, it works only through people who understand by themselves the open-individualism. To enforce it through discourse might lead to the contrary, like form of super-individualism and other manifestation of the “little ego”, which can sometimes become very big for some people. Bruno > > Jason > > > > On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> On 10 Mar 2021, at 14:08, Jason Resch <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 5:45 PM spudboy100 via Everything List >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> I kind of side with Canadian philosopher John Leslie, as well as British >> astronomer, James Jeans on this question. Both Leslie and Jeans see the >> cosmos as a Great Thought. I formalize their conjectures as a Great Program. >> One may ask, running on what? >> >> >> I agree that thought is in a sense, more fundamental (existing prior to) the >> observed. Of course the next question is what explains the origin of this >> thought? This is the answer I now tell myself (I welcome >> revisions/improvements): >> >> If one accepts the independent existence of mathematical truths, like "2 + 2 >> = 4" then, due to Turing universal equations, one must also accept truths >> like "The 1,829,735th step of program #789 contains a bit string "01011101". >> >> We can keep going, and extend this to say, programs that describe computable >> physical worlds, and relate the bit strings representing those generated >> states to facts about these computable realities >> >> It therefore becomes a mathematically provable fact that "there exists a >> universal equation that includes an encoding of this very e-mail, written by >> a computational version of a person just like me, who exists as part of a >> computed physical reality which looks just like our observable universe." >> >> So if 2+2=4, then thoughts exist. > > Indeed :) > > Bruno > > >> >> Jason >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 Jason Resch <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:37 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> >> On 3/9/2021 12:22 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:57 AM Kim Jones <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> What was there before there was nothing? >>> >>> I don't believe reality was ever a state of absolute nothingness. Rather, >>> there are things that exist necessarily: logical laws, truth, properties of >>> numbers, etc. Some of these truths and number relations concern and define >>> all computational histories, and the appearance of a physical reality is a >>> result of these computations creating consciousness observers. See: >>> https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#A_Story_of_Creation >>> <https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#A_Story_of_Creation> >> But you're casually confounding different sense of "exist". Logical laws, >> number, etc are derivative on language. They don't "exist" physically. The >> logicians meaning of exist is just to satisfy a predicate. 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