Am Do, 11. Mär 2021, um 04:43, schrieb Jason Resch: > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 8:00 PM spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Well for this knuckle dragging savage, I compulsively am driven towards how >> can our species make use of science and philosophy to make life better? We >> may chose to view your fellow compuationalist philosopher, Juergen >> Schmidhuber, viewing God (you know He doesn't like to be called that!) As >> being The Great Programmer. Yet, we primates are behaviorally motivated by >> rewards, so we would have to gain a material reason to act in common?
> I believe that a universal ethics, can follow from theories of personal > identity. > > To me, the most sensible of which suggest universalism / open individualism: > the idea that there is only one mind and we are all it. > > This converts self interest into a common interest for the good of all > sentient beings. Very nicely put Jason. This is also what I believe. Telmo > Jason > > > >> >> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 Bruno Marchal >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 10 Mar 2021, at 14:08, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 5:45 PM spudboy100 via Everything List >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I kind of side with Canadian philosopher John Leslie, as well as British >>>> astronomer, James Jeans on this question. Both Leslie and Jeans see the >>>> cosmos as a Great Thought. I formalize their conjectures as a Great >>>> Program. One may ask, running on what? >>> >>> I agree that thought is in a sense, more fundamental (existing prior to) >>> the observed. Of course the next question is what explains the origin of >>> this thought? This is the answer I now tell myself (I welcome >>> revisions/improvements): >>> >>> If one accepts the independent existence of mathematical truths, like "2 + >>> 2 = 4" then, due to Turing universal equations, one must also accept truths >>> like "The 1,829,735th step of program #789 contains a bit string "01011101". >>> >>> We can keep going, and extend this to say, programs that describe >>> computable physical worlds, and relate the bit strings representing those >>> generated states to facts about these computable realities >>> >>> It therefore becomes a mathematically provable fact that "there exists a >>> universal equation that includes an encoding of this very e-mail, written >>> by a computational version of a person just like me, who exists as part of >>> a computed physical reality which looks just like our observable universe." >>> >>> So if 2+2=4, then thoughts exist. >> >> Indeed :) >> >> Bruno >> >> >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:37 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/9/2021 12:22 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:57 AM Kim Jones <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> What was there before there was nothing? >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't believe reality was ever a state of absolute nothingness. >>>>>> Rather, there are things that exist necessarily: logical laws, truth, >>>>>> properties of numbers, etc. Some of these truths and number relations >>>>>> concern and define all computational histories, and the appearance of a >>>>>> physical reality is a result of these computations creating >>>>>> consciousness observers. See: >>>>>> https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#A_Story_of_Creation >>>>> >>>>> But you're casually confounding different sense of "exist". Logical >>>>> laws, number, etc are derivative on language. They don't "exist" >>>>> physically. The logicians meaning of exist is just to satisfy a >>>>> predicate. Any sensible discussion of "exist"needs to start with >>>>> recognizing it has several different meanings. >>>> >>>> Hi Brent, >>>> >>>> You are right there are various senses of the word "exists". >>>> >>>> I dedicate a section specifically to this issue, and define three types, >>>> or modes of existence: >>>> https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Three_Modes_of_Existence >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhz5QF90QwoJfbF-u76tuYr%2B61fY5%3D%2BbkhjLZMxxqrqEA%40mail.gmail.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhz5QF90QwoJfbF-u76tuYr%2B61fY5%3D%2BbkhjLZMxxqrqEA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1268362286.989763.1615333541353%40mail.yahoo.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1268362286.989763.1615333541353%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUg5zZT%2BnX2oWtTOobPBnx_C_vOLQ%3D7-6rsnOTm1VZX6BA%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUg5zZT%2BnX2oWtTOobPBnx_C_vOLQ%3D7-6rsnOTm1VZX6BA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9F2F39C5-B315-48BA-973C-0A6F83C94FC2%40ulb.ac.be >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9F2F39C5-B315-48BA-973C-0A6F83C94FC2%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/479151616.37904.1615428053598%40mail.yahoo.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/479151616.37904.1615428053598%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUi2SUJQo3y9hyTcrUdvAxs%3D7iffTQCNdU%3Dav9ogODYTzw%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUi2SUJQo3y9hyTcrUdvAxs%3D7iffTQCNdU%3Dav9ogODYTzw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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