On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 7:56 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Suppose there is an AI that behaves more intelligently than the most >> intelligent human who ever lived, however when the machine is opened up to >> see how this intelligence is actually achieved one consciousness theory >> doesn't like what it sees and concludes that despite its great intelligence >> it is not conscious, but a rival consciousness theory does like what it >> sees and concludes it is conscious. Both theories can't be right although >> both could be wrong, so how on earth could you ever determine which, if >> any, of the 2 consciousness theories are correct? > > > *> A consciousness theory has no value if it does not make testable > prediction.* > Truer words were never spoken! * > But that is the case for the theory of consciousness brought by the > universal machine/number in arithmetic. They give the logic of the > observable, and indeed until now that fits with quantum logic.The mechanist > brain-mind identity theory would be confirmed if Bohm’s hidden variable > theory was true, or if we could find an evidence that the physical cosmos > is unique, or that Newton physics was the only correct theory, etc. * > Well, all that is real nice, but it doesn't answer my question. If an AI was more intelligent than any human who ever lived and you opened it up to see how it achieved this great intelligence, what would make you conclude that it was not conscious and what would make you conclude that it was? I'm a practical man and I'm not interested in vague generalities, if it's not intelligent behavior then what specific observable should I look for to determine if something is conscious? *> With the induction axioms, the machine get Löbian (and consciousnesss > becomes basically described by Grzegorczyk formula []([](p->[]p) -> p) -> p* > Well that's just super, but how do I use that in the real world in a practical experiment to determine if your theory is correct or not, and even if it is correct how do I use that to determine if an intelligent entity is conscious or not ? John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> q -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv23%3D_ZBa6oOAz8O%2B8vJ03dA0LhA8TJ6zwdwHxTVX-rV3g%40mail.gmail.com.
