On 8/24/2021 11:54 AM, Tomas Pales wrote:
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:00:34 PM UTC+2 telmo wrote:

    I haven't read "Physics for the Feeble-Minded" (yet?), but
    something caught my attention in the review below:
    https://theamericanscholar.org/physics-for-the-feeble-minded/
    <https://theamericanscholar.org/physics-for-the-feeble-minded/>

    "Rovelli’s short answer to this and other bizarre takes on quantum
    weirdness: Nonsense! His real purpose is to posit his own theory
    of “relations.” He suggests that most, if not all, of quantum
    theory’s perplexities can be resolved by understanding that there
    is no ultimate essence, no Kantian Ding an sich, no existence in
    and of itself attributable to a particle. What we know, since we
    too are part of nature, is only how something manifests itself to
    us. It is only in relation to something else that anything can be
    known—and a thing can manifest itself differently to different
    things."

    Maybe Rovelli is ready for Marchal :)

    Cheers
    Telmo


Those relations are between nothings?

That's almost literally Mermin's slogan for the view, which he also advocates, "Relations without relata."  But are relations abstracted away from relata really any different from numbers abstracted from things counted?

Brent

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