Am Di, 24. Aug 2021, um 23:34, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 8/24/2021 11:54 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:00:34 PM UTC+2 telmo wrote: >>> I haven't read "Physics for the Feeble-Minded" (yet?), but something caught >>> my attention in the review below: >>> https://theamericanscholar.org/physics-for-the-feeble-minded/ >>> >>> "Rovelli’s short answer to this and other bizarre takes on quantum >>> weirdness: Nonsense! His real purpose is to posit his own theory of >>> “relations.” He suggests that most, if not all, of quantum theory’s >>> perplexities can be resolved by understanding that there is no ultimate >>> essence, no Kantian Ding an sich, no existence in and of itself >>> attributable to a particle. What we know, since we too are part of nature, >>> is only how something manifests itself to us. It is only in relation to >>> something else that anything can be known—and a thing can manifest itself >>> differently to different things." >>> >>> Maybe Rovelli is ready for Marchal :) >>> >>> Cheers >>> Telmo >> >> Those relations are between nothings? > > That's almost literally Mermin's slogan for the view, which he also > advocates, "Relations without relata." But are relations abstracted away > from relata really any different from numbers abstracted from things counted? > >
I can also imagine an ontology where relata are also relations and, furthermore, "strange loop" relations across levels are allowed. Telmo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/bc582a1d-65a5-4889-aca7-ea05e98b9941%40www.fastmail.com.
