Am Di, 24. Aug 2021, um 23:34, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 8/24/2021 11:54 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:00:34 PM UTC+2 telmo wrote: >>> I haven't read "Physics for the Feeble-Minded" (yet?), but something caught >>> my attention in the review below: >>> https://theamericanscholar.org/physics-for-the-feeble-minded/ >>> >>> "Rovelli’s short answer to this and other bizarre takes on quantum >>> weirdness: Nonsense! His real purpose is to posit his own theory of >>> “relations.” He suggests that most, if not all, of quantum theory’s >>> perplexities can be resolved by understanding that there is no ultimate >>> essence, no Kantian Ding an sich, no existence in and of itself >>> attributable to a particle. What we know, since we too are part of nature, >>> is only how something manifests itself to us. It is only in relation to >>> something else that anything can be known—and a thing can manifest itself >>> differently to different things." >>> >>> Maybe Rovelli is ready for Marchal :) >>> >>> Cheers >>> Telmo >> >> Those relations are between nothings? > > That's almost literally Mermin's slogan for the view, which he also > advocates, "Relations without relata." But are relations abstracted away > from relata really any different from numbers abstracted from things counted? > >
I can also imagine an ontology where relata are also relations and, furthermore, "strange loop" relations across levels are allowed. Telmo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/bc582a1d-65a5-4889-aca7-ea05e98b9941%40www.fastmail.com.
