On 8/30/2021 3:29 AM, Tomas Pales wrote:

On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 9:11:34 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote:



    On 8/29/2021 5:50 AM, Tomas Pales wrote:

    On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 1:46:50 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote:


        If you ask the same question about numbers it seems that
        maybe they can exist because there are a lot of different
        pairs and without one of them the number 2 can count another
        pair.  But can 2 exist if there are no pairs to count, or no
        counters to identify pairs?


    Number 2 is a relational property of all pairs. I don't think
    that a property can exist without that which it is a property of.
    It is the meaning/nature of property to be a property of
    something. All pairs exist eternally, just like number 2 and
    everything else.

    All the pairs I know of, my shoes, my gloves, my dogs,... do NOT
    exist eternally.  And they are only conceived of as pairs because
    I and other people nominate such.


They exist eternally at a particular spacetime location.

In other words eternally at a particular time.  Is there any reason I should take that seriously?

Any two things form a pair, why would anyone need to "nominate" them as a pair.

Being two things, or even one thing, is a conceptualization about the world.

Brent

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