On 8/28/2021 1:59 PM, Tomas Pales wrote:

On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:34:07 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote:


    That's almost literally Mermin's slogan for the view, which he
    also advocates, "Relations without relata."  But are relations
    abstracted away from relata really any different from numbers
    abstracted from things counted?


Of course we can abstract relations from relata and numbers from things, just as we can abstract the Cheshire cat's grin from the cat. It doesn't mean that the grin can exist without the cat.

If you ask the same question about numbers it seems that maybe they can exist because there are a lot of different pairs and without one of them the number 2 can count another pair.  But can 2 exist if there are no pairs to count, or no counters to identify pairs?

Brent

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