On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 11:38 AM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:

> One problem is that the Russians won't know whether they are nukes or not
> until they explode.
>

That problem can be overcome by simply telling them that the missiles are
not nuclear. There are channels of communication, after all.

I wonder how good our back channels are with the Russian military.  I doubt
> that they are very happy with Putin.  The Ukranians seem very willing to
> fight and I'd bet they will be a lot more motivated than a bunch of Russian
> conscripts.  So I think if we keep them supplied they may make it too
> expensive in money, blood, and prestige.
>
> More worrying it what will we do when Xi starts massing troops on the
> mainland opposite Taiwan?  We're not in so good a position to impose
> economic pressure on China.
>

I doubt that economic sanctions will do much good in the short term with
Russia, either. I think you are right -- the best bet is that the
Ukrainian resistance will wear the invaders down -- they expected a short
fight and easy victory, after all. Opposition is growing within Russia
itself. The dead bodies will be a big influence..... Russia will not want
another Afghanistan, or Chechnya.......

Bruce



> Brent
>
> On 2/26/2022 3:13 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 10:04 AM Brent Meeker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> It's not a question of sympathy, but of utility.
>>
>
> What would happen if NATO launched an all-out cruise missile assault on
> Moscow and Petersburg? Not nuclear, purely conventional. No "boots on the
> ground", but some serious rethinking needed on Russia's part. Just as the
> retaliatory British bombing of Berlin in WW2 caused Hitler to loose his
> cool and gave Britain an advantage. Of course, Putin might respond with a
> nuclear assault, but that would certainly render his empire plans futile.
> It would be a gamble, but I think the odds would be in favour of making
> Putin pause rather than escalating further.
>
> Bruce
>
>>
>> Brent
>>
>> On 2/26/2022 2:58 PM, John Clark wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 5:41 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> * > I'm fine with seizing the money of Putin and his oligarch buddies.
>>> I'm less sanguine about just impoverishing the Russian people. *
>>>
>>
>> When one country decides to make war on it's neighbor misery is the
>> inevitable result, certainly the people of Ukraine are feeling it and
>> I'm certain the people of Russia will too. Call me a monster if you want
>> but at this moment I feel far less sympathy for the invading country
>> than the country being invaded.
>>
>>

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