[Philip Benjamin]
There is no place for regrets in life especially in leadership and
governmental authority, only warnings and consequences. The lessons of cowardly
appeasements of tyrants are aplenty. However they are inapplicable to the
brains of Marxist pagans with UC such as the WAMP. There are politicians today
who were once classical Liberals (not necessarily pagans) but became promoters
of the KKK, lynching, slavery, segregation, discrimination, Civil War etc., but
have now morphed into baby-lynching, Progressivism, antagonism for religious
freedom, intolerant of free speech, free enterprise etc. except for themselves.
These are really fellow travelers with Marxist pagans with UC, who will agin
produce pagan tyrants like Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini. They hate freedom
loving citizens with AC!! Such corrupt imbecilic politicians at the helm of
affairs in a nation that is the product of "Two Great Awakenings" (historical
and historic) deceive and fool naive public with never feasible freebees and
government largesse. And the result is Afghan fiasco and Ukrainian tragedy-
both creations of the products of WAMP.
Philip Benjamin
Non-Conformist
[email protected]; Subject: Re: Ukraine
[Saibal]
We should have acted weeks earlier. When it became clear that Russia was
planning some sort of a large scale military assault, we should have stopped
.....Russian protests should have been rebuffed by saying that Ukraine is a
sovereign country and it is therefore allowed to request military assistance.
....
We should have made it clear to Russia that the military aid would come with a
military deployment, .....
But it's now too late, Russia can only be slowed down a bit. Russia has clearly
underestimated the Ukrainian army. .....
Basically, the doctrine we need to stick to is act from a position of strength,
hit hard when and where you can hit hard with maximum effect.
Also to avoid engaging from a position of weakness, .....We should now let
Putin fail in Ukraine by his own mistakes and focus our attention to other
potential flashpoints.
Saibal
On 27-02-2022 01:48, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 11:38 AM Brent Meeker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> One problem is that the Russians won't know whether they are nukes or
>> not until they explode.
>
> That problem can be overcome by simply telling them that the missiles
> are not nuclear. There are channels of communication, after all.
>
>> I wonder how good our back channels are with the Russian military.
>> I doubt that they are very happy with Putin. The Ukranians seem very
>> willing to fight and I'd bet they will be a lot more motivated than a
>> bunch of Russian conscripts. So I think if we keep them supplied
>> they may make it too expensive in money, blood, and prestige.
>>
>> More worrying it what will we do when Xi starts massing troops on the
>> mainland opposite Taiwan? We're not in so good a position to impose
>> economic pressure on China.
>
> I doubt that economic sanctions will do much good in the short term
> with Russia, either. I think you are right -- the best bet is that the
> Ukrainian resistance will wear the invaders down -- they expected a
> short fight and easy victory, after all. Opposition is growing within
> Russia itself. The dead bodies will be a big influence..... Russia
> will not want another Afghanistan, or Chechnya.......
>
> Bruce
>
>> Brent
>>
>> On 2/26/2022 3:13 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 10:04 AM Brent Meeker <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's not a question of sympathy, but of utility.
>>
>> What would happen if NATO launched an all-out cruise missile assault
>> on Moscow and Petersburg? Not nuclear, purely conventional. No "boots
>> on the ground", but some serious rethinking needed on Russia's part.
>> Just as the retaliatory British bombing of Berlin in
>> WW2 caused Hitler to loose his cool and gave Britain an advantage.
>> Of course, Putin might respond with a nuclear assault, but that would
>> certainly render his empire plans futile. It would be a gamble, but I
>> think the odds would be in favour of making Putin pause rather than
>> escalating further.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> Brent
>>
>> On 2/26/2022 2:58 PM, John Clark wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 5:41 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> _ > I'm fine with seizing the money of Putin and his oligarch
>> buddies. I'm less sanguine about just impoverishing the Russian
>> people. _
>>
>> When one country decides to make war on it's neighbor misery is the
>> inevitable result, certainly the people of Ukraine are feeling it and
>> I'm certain the people of Russia will too. Call me a monster if you
>> want but at this moment I feel far less sympathy for the invading
>> country than the country being invaded.
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