On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 11:35 AM smitra <smi...@zonnet.nl> wrote: > On 08-04-2022 07:28, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 1:42 PM smitra <smi...@zonnet.nl> wrote: > > > >>> > >>> Locality implies separability. If you disagree, show me the > >>> mathematics of a local state (referring to distinct spacetime > >> points) > >>> that is not separable -- without begging the question, that is! > >>> > >> > >> Locality refers to the dynamics of a theory, not to properties of some > >> particular state. > > > > The properties of the state refer to the dynamics of the underlying > > interactions. In quantum mechanics, the state vector tells you > > everything that can be known about the consequences of the underlying > > dynamics. > > > > A Hamiltonian must be specified. >

If the Hamiltonian refers to more than one spacetime point, it is non-local. >> In classical physics, you don't have non-separable > >> states, but you can get to non-local correlations using only local > >> dynamics. > > > > Only in the trivial, everyday, sense of Bertlmann's socks. > > > >> In QM you can get to non-separable states using only local > >> dynamics. > > > > The non-separable state may be created at a single spacetime point, > > but that is not a relevant consideration if the parts then move apart. > > > >> The mere fact that you can have non-classical entangled states > >> does not imply that the dynamics of the theory is non-local > > > > The fact of non-separable entangled states, which are unique to > > quantum mechanics, does imply non-locality. > > Vide above.... > > You still have not shown me this magical local state that is > > non-separable. > > What matters is that the Hamiltonian is local. > Your Hamiltonian might be local. But that is not going to explain the Bell correlations which involve measurements at two distinct spacetime points. You are just sidestepping the issue -- show me this magical local state that is non-separable. The fact that you keep ducking and weaving on this question, and similar questions, suggests quite strongly that you do not have an answer -- that you do not have a local account of the correlations, in MWI or in any other theory. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLQYKQ_qAVR3f42PjDO2zxxZGJT%3DtMwdFm0Zf58b95zTtg%40mail.gmail.com.