Am Do, 1. Sep 2022, um 17:46, schrieb John Clark: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 11:09 AM Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.net> wrote: > __ > >> *> Yes, I do suspect that the "basket of deplorables" comment cost her the >> election. It was a stupid and mean thing to say,* > > It may or may not have been mean but it was certainly accurate, and if it was > stupid then it was because it's stupid to tell the truth if you're > campaigning for political office.
A long time ago I had a class called "Introduction to Artificial Intelligence". I remember that one of the first topics was the definition of an "intelligent agent", and it went something like this: an intelligent agent is an agent who has a goal, and takes actions that are likely to maximize it's probability of reaching that goal. Conversely, stupidity is defined as taking actions that are likely to move you away from that goal. The mean part relates to the simple realization that, unlike Hilary Clinton, who live in a Washington power bubble, most people have families who don't necessarily share their political opinions, but they might still love them. >> *> you still don't understand who voted for Trump and why they voted for >> Trump.* > > I know who voted for Trump but I still don't know why, that's not because of > lack of effort on my part, I've asked them over and over and over again but > I've yet to receive a coherent answer. People voted for Trump because they figured they had no hope of improving their situation in life, but they could at least really annoy the people they don't like. People like you and me. Trump was very effective at showing them how gross and obscene he was willing to be on their behalf, and going by the last election numbers, he did not disappoint. > >>> >>> >> Any crimes Hillary Clinton committed were ridiculously trivial compared >>> >> with the treason committed by Trump, such as staging a coup d'état and >>> >> trying to establish a dictatorship. >> >> *> Granted, but is this really the standard you want to uphold?* > > You may think that avoiding dictatorship is a low bar to clear but sometimes > I feel like it is an impossibly high one. Avoiding a bad president is far > more important than electing a good one because there is a limit to the > amount of good a president can do but there is no bottom to bad. You are betting too much on this. I suspect that the majority of the American voters does not believe that democracy is at risk. >> *> She had a fucking email server installed in her bathroom* > > Big fucking deal! I'm talking about nullifying a presidential election, > keeping records that were beyond top secret in a cardboard box in a unsecured > room at a golf club, bungling a pandemic response, increasing the likelihood > of Iran developing a nuclear bomb, depriving women of having autonomy over > their own body, and staging an unsuccessful coup d'état. And you're still > worried about Hillary Clinton's email server! I am not "worried". I am baffled by the fact that you don't see that this is the sort of tribal thinking and slippery slope rationalizations that produce the party that you just escaped. >> *> Agreed, but the only way to prevent that scenario is to mobilize the >> people who are not into batshit ideas to bother voting. Writing these things >> might help you process your feelings but it doesn't help with anything.* > > You mean I will not be able to single-handedly save the nation with my > posts?! I am crushed!! > Ok John. You are a very smart person and you know exactly what I mean: this way of thinking is prevalent in the Democratic party, it is smug and self-indulgent and it worries me, because I want the Democratic Party to win. >> >> > ***The batshit crazy who vote for Trump will not be less batshit in 2022, >> > but there is a very good chance that the non-batshit will be discouraged >> > if not provided with someone remotely inspiring.* > > Biden lacks showmanship but he is not crazy nor is he cruel, and if he is not > brilliant he is at least reasonably competent. He is a non-entity. Which is better than being Trump, I will grant you that. >> *> That is that the reality you must face, but I know you will not (meaning >> the highly engaged democrats), and that is why I strongly suspect that Trump >> will be president again in 2024.* > > Not if Trump is in prison, and if I had 5 documents in a cardboard box in my > house marked "Top Secret (TS/SCI)" that's where I'd be. He won't be in prison. 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