On a more positive note, I would be really proud of NASA. I have been suffering 
with the scrubbed launches of Artemis and I am really rooting for it to go 
well. I always have the stream on when it's about to happen. The space shuttle 
color scheme and the NASA logos make my eyes tear up a bit. Makes me think 
there is still hope for humanity.

Telmo

Am Mo, 5. Sep 2022, um 07:29, schrieb Telmo Menezes:
> If I were American, I would be ashamed of the whole Afghanistan affair. 
> Certainly not America's finest hour. But granted, once the decision had been 
> made to intervene in "the graveyard of empires", all subsequent presidents 
> were inexorably placed in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" 
> situation. I suspect that nothing was learned.
> 
> Telmo
> 
> Am Mo, 5. Sep 2022, um 01:37, schrieb Brent Meeker:
>> And you forgot that Biden got us out of America's longest war.   Something 
>> Trump negotiated but was to cowardly to do on his watch.
>> 
>> Brent
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/3/2022 4:18 AM, John Clark wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 12:08 PM Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> >> Biden lacks showmanship but he is not crazy nor is he cruel, and if he 
>>>>> >> is not brilliant he is at least reasonably competent.
>>>>  
>>>> *> He is a non-entity. Which is better than being Trump, I will grant you 
>>>> that.*
>>> 
>>> Biden may be a non-entity, he's certainly not showy, but you could argue he 
>>> has had the most productive 2 years of any president since Linden Johnson. 
>>> Biden faced intense opposition from Republicans about everything but 
>>> nevertheless he managed to pass the first real gun control legislation in 
>>> 30 years, and a 280 billion dollar industrial bill to counter China, and a 
>>> bill to reduce health costs by allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices 
>>> by allowing the government to negotiate prescription prices from the drug 
>>> companies saving the government 300 billion dollars over 10 years, and a 
>>> bill to reduce greenhouse gases by 40%, and a bill to raise taxes on 
>>> corporations and the ultra super mega rich, and a bill to expand medical 
>>> benefits for veterans and September 11 first responders who were exposed to 
>>> toxic chemicals. Oh and I almost forgot, Biden also prevented an ignorant 
>>> cruel megalomaniac from becoming dictator of the USA, or at least he 
>>> delayed that sad day by 4 years.
>>>   
>>> John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
>>> rry
>>> 
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