I just mean, if both frames are accelerating at the same rate, will the v in the LT, be the instantaneous relative velocity? AG On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:05:42 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:
> Specifically, will the time dilation of a clock in an accelerating frame, > be the same as a clock as measured for a clock in a the observer's > accelerating frame, where v in the LT is the instantaneous velocity of the > clock in the observer's frame at every time t in the observer's frame? > > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:54:06 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: > >> By "valid", I mean "true". IOW, is SR limited to non-accelerating frames? >> If the frames are accelerating, will the LT still hold for relating the >> laws of physics between those frames? AG >> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 9:58:27 PM UTC-7 jessem wrote: >> >>> It depends what you mean by "valid". Certainly all the physical laws of >>> relativity such as time dilation can be expressed in a non-inertial >>> coordinate system, like Rindler coordinates. But the equations expressing >>> these laws will not be the same in non-inertial coordinate systems, for >>> example you can no longer assume that a clock moving at constant coordinate >>> velocity for a coordinate time interval of delta-t will elapse a proper >>> time of delta-tau = delta-t * sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2). >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 9:50 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Wormholes have nothing to do with my question. Please answer the >>>> question defining this thread. TY. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 1:00:50 PM UTC-7 [email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A stable wormhole requires threading by negative energy density. >>>>> Since no such negative energy field is know and it's existence would >>>>> imperil the stability of matter, its existence seems highly unlikely. >>>>> >>>>> Brent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/15/2022 11:17 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Me: Forget acronyms, or even Einstein's gravitic Reference Frame >>>>> dragging (His movie reel analogy), Instead ask yourselves are these >>>>> physicists correct in proposing that some black holes are wormholes? >>>>> >>>>> Objects We Thought Were Black Holes May Actually Be Wormholes, >>>>> Scientists Say (futurism.com) >>>>> <https://futurism.com/objects-black-holes-wormholes> >>>>> >>>>> For this science fiction boy, I say interesting and maybe, hopeful? >>>>> Let the hard science Bohr flavor of quantum mechanics and relativity >>>>> yield >>>>> for in objection, how this is fictional, improbable, and crapola? For >>>>> reference frames, I know Einstein locked this in with time, which he >>>>> discussed with Michele Besso (remember the letter to Beso's family?) but >>>>> otherwise, how valuable to astronomers and physicists is ref frame >>>>> dragging >>>>> and all that? Does it predict do you think? >>>>> >>>>> The validity of a science is its ability to predict-Vanevar Bush. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Everything List <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tue, Nov 15, 2022 1:30 pm >>>>> Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of >>>>> reference? TY. >>>>> >>>>> RA. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:19:02 AM UTC-7 [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 6:38 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *> IHA = ?* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I Hate Acronyms. >>>>> >>>>> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >>>>> 8gfk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/a67cbbac-69e0-40a9-8ee2-8e0caeb344d5n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/a67cbbac-69e0-40a9-8ee2-8e0caeb344d5n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2142008288.338975.1668539879975%40mail.yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2142008288.338975.1668539879975%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/527ac7d6-ada8-422f-b93f-df5b974da65fn%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/527ac7d6-ada8-422f-b93f-df5b974da65fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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