And when I used the word "true", I just meant that no observations exist which contradict the predictions of SR. AG
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:09:25 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: > > I just mean, if both frames are accelerating at the same rate, will the v > in the LT, be the instantaneous relative velocity? AG > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:05:42 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: > >> Specifically, will the time dilation of a clock in an accelerating frame, >> be the same as a clock as measured for a clock in a the observer's >> accelerating frame, where v in the LT is the instantaneous velocity of the >> clock in the observer's frame at every time t in the observer's frame? > > >> >> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:54:06 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> By "valid", I mean "true". IOW, is SR limited to non-accelerating >>> frames? If the frames are accelerating, will the LT still hold for relating >>> the laws of physics between those frames? AG >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 9:58:27 PM UTC-7 jessem wrote: >>> >>>> It depends what you mean by "valid". Certainly all the physical laws of >>>> relativity such as time dilation can be expressed in a non-inertial >>>> coordinate system, like Rindler coordinates. But the equations expressing >>>> these laws will not be the same in non-inertial coordinate systems, for >>>> example you can no longer assume that a clock moving at constant >>>> coordinate >>>> velocity for a coordinate time interval of delta-t will elapse a proper >>>> time of delta-tau = delta-t * sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2). >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 9:50 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wormholes have nothing to do with my question. Please answer the >>>>> question defining this thread. TY. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 1:00:50 PM UTC-7 [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> A stable wormhole requires threading by negative energy density. >>>>>> Since no such negative energy field is know and it's existence would >>>>>> imperil the stability of matter, its existence seems highly unlikely. >>>>>> >>>>>> Brent >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/15/2022 11:17 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Me: Forget acronyms, or even Einstein's gravitic Reference Frame >>>>>> dragging (His movie reel analogy), Instead ask yourselves are these >>>>>> physicists correct in proposing that some black holes are wormholes? >>>>>> >>>>>> Objects We Thought Were Black Holes May Actually Be Wormholes, >>>>>> Scientists Say (futurism.com) >>>>>> <https://futurism.com/objects-black-holes-wormholes> >>>>>> >>>>>> For this science fiction boy, I say interesting and maybe, hopeful? >>>>>> Let the hard science Bohr flavor of quantum mechanics and relativity >>>>>> yield >>>>>> for in objection, how this is fictional, improbable, and crapola? For >>>>>> reference frames, I know Einstein locked this in with time, which he >>>>>> discussed with Michele Besso (remember the letter to Beso's family?) but >>>>>> otherwise, how valuable to astronomers and physicists is ref frame >>>>>> dragging >>>>>> and all that? Does it predict do you think? >>>>>> >>>>>> The validity of a science is its ability to predict-Vanevar Bush. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Everything List <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Tue, Nov 15, 2022 1:30 pm >>>>>> Subject: Re: Is Special Relativity valid for accelerating frames of >>>>>> reference? TY. >>>>>> >>>>>> RA. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:19:02 AM UTC-7 [email protected] >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 6:38 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *> IHA = ?* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I Hate Acronyms. >>>>>> >>>>>> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >>>>>> 8gfk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/a67cbbac-69e0-40a9-8ee2-8e0caeb344d5n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/a67cbbac-69e0-40a9-8ee2-8e0caeb344d5n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2142008288.338975.1668539879975%40mail.yahoo.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2142008288.338975.1668539879975%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/527ac7d6-ada8-422f-b93f-df5b974da65fn%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/527ac7d6-ada8-422f-b93f-df5b974da65fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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