On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 9:28 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
*> Maybe we're disagreeing about what "local" or maybe "realism" means. I > think it means that at the creation of the two photons their polarizations > are fixed (realism) at the same direction, which varies randomly from pair > to pair (non-deterministic), and they interact at the detectors > indpendently (local). Those conditions imply Bell's inequality. Right? * > *In this case "realism" would mean the photon pairs will always have opposite polarizations and the axis of polarization has always pointed to one AND ONLY ONE definite direction. People like Roger Penrose would say there is only one pair of photons so the "and only one" part is unnecessary because the Many Worlds idea is just too strange to be true, or even to be worthy of thought. However I note that although sir Roger calls it absurd even he doesn't claim it's logically contradictory. * * > I don't think OC theories are local. At each detector the collapse is > random, but not the photons don't share the same random value.* > *Yeah, that's a valid point. I think I got a little over my skis when I said objective collapse was local; it's realistic but non-local and nondeterministic. * * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* pvt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0pf7RsjKpSiqvCPtEag%3DE6uZSLmY7eqYKU%3D0zBjAhhSg%40mail.gmail.com.
