On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 8:46 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
*> I don't why you imagine that realism requires that the plane always be > pointed in the same direction.* *I'm not saying that's what realism is, and I believe we agree more than you think. Realism insists that before the photons in the pair are measured they were already polarized around one and only one specific axis. And before the photons in the next pair are measured they too were already polarized around one and only one specific axis, BUT ALMOST CERTAINLY A DIFFERENT AXIS than the first pair**. * *> Everybody else defines realism as I did above: each pair has some > definite plane. * *That's a good definition of realism but an even better one would be "each pair is polarized around ONE definite plane". Many Worlds says before an experiment is performed there are photons oriented at EVERY angle that the laws of quantum mechanics allows. And that's why Many Worlds is not a realistic theory, and that's why Many Worlds is a deterministic theory. * > > > *I specifically stated the plane varying randomly in direction is what > makes the experiment non-deterministic.* *Yes, if Many Worlds is wrong and even the quantum wave function of the entire universe would be insufficient to predict the outcome of that experiment, then it would certainly be non-deterministic, and not just from the point of view of the experimenter, it would even be nondeterministic to God; assuming there is a God.* * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* 7mn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1Hbx6rs5wB4jG_Neg1erT%2BwKrAB7yyR0t%2BySuKvYOZ-A%40mail.gmail.com.
