OK, we're in agreement. I was just a little misled by "each pair is
polarized around ONE definite plane", since that can be read as each,
and every, pair is polarized around One definite plane which does not
change from pair-to-pair.
Brent
On 11/17/2024 4:36 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 8:46 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]>
wrote:
/> I don't why you imagine that realism requires that the plane
always be pointed in the same direction./
*I'm not saying that's what realism is, and I believe we agree more
than you think. Realism insists that before the photons in the pair
are measured they were already polarized around one and only one
specific axis. And before the photons in the next pair are measured
they too were already polarized around one and only one specific axis,
BUT ALMOST CERTAINLY A DIFFERENT AXIS than the first pair**. *
/> Everybody else defines realism as I did above: each pair has
some definite plane. /
*That's a good definition of realism but an even better one would be
"each pair is polarized around _ONE_ definite plane".*
*Many Worlds says before an experiment is performed there are
photons oriented at _EVERY_ angle that thelaws of quantum mechanics
allows. And that's why Many Worlds is not a realistic theory, and
that's why Many Worlds is a deterministic theory. *
**
> /I specifically stated the plane varying randomly in direction is
what makes the experiment non-deterministic./
*Yes, if Many Worlds is wrong and even the quantum wave function of
the entire universe would be insufficient to predict the outcome of
that experiment, then it would certainly be non-deterministic, and not
just from the point of view of the experimenter, it would even be
nondeterministic to God; assuming there is a God.***
*John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
7mn
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