I also said: "if we were to understand consciousness fully, then we will know for sure what to expect after death." As of today, we don't understand consciousness fully.
On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 16:54:49 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: > When you said this: "And in case we would expect happiness, then we will > even stop finding any cure for cancer. We will celebrate cancer." So > instead of celebrating cancer, why not skip the painful parts? > > On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 3:29:59 PM UTC-5 Cosmin Visan wrote: > >> Where did I say that the next life will be better ? >> >> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 22:09:01 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >> >>> Serious question - what's stopping you from killing yourself and >>> speeding up the transition to happiness? >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 3:04 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm millionaire, why would I need a job ? Also, if we were to >>>> understand consciousness fully, then we will know for sure what to expect >>>> after death. And in case we would expect happiness, then we will even stop >>>> finding any cure for cancer. We will celebrate cancer. All of our current >>>> decisions are made based on incomplete knowledge of the truth. As such, we >>>> make the decisions based on what we imagine reality to be, not on what it >>>> actually is. >>>> >>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:37:03 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 12:30:07 PM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It depends what kind of person you are. If you are a depressed person, >>>>> curing you of cancer will not do any good. On the contrary, if you would >>>>> have died you would havd gotten a chance at happiness in the next life. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *You have to be right. Stop your BS, assuming you know more than you >>>>> actually do, or get a job, or jerkoff, but no more of your stupidity. AG * >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:06:51 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I just opened a topic a while back about the definition of the word >>>>> "useful" that you keep abusing. Let's remind you: >>>>> >>>>> Useful = whatever increases happiness. >>>>> Useless = whatever doesn't increase happiness. >>>>> >>>>> My philosophy, I guarantee you 100%, increases happiness, so is useful. >>>>> Getting cured of cancer might still let you depressed, so cancer cure >>>>> is useless. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *You can't be very conscious and make such a hugely stupid comment. >>>>> Don't ya think that being cured of cancer is immensely happier than >>>>> succumbing to it? AG* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 19:59:29 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 9:53:59 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How do you expect you can properly fix a car if you don't know how it >>>>> function ? You just do guesswork, you give it a few kicks and maybe it >>>>> starts. This is how present-day science works given that it doesn't work >>>>> based on fundamentals, namely based on the working of consciousness. >>>>> Sure, >>>>> you can keep doing research this way: kick it till it works. And you >>>>> might >>>>> save a few lives. But if you were start from fundamentals, then you would >>>>> know exactly what you were doing and you will save 8 billion lives. Not >>>>> that it would matter at that point, given that at that level of >>>>> development >>>>> we will manipulate consciousness to such a degree that we will not even >>>>> need bodies anymore. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *About 60 years ago I met a fellow with your philosophy, a Master of >>>>> Yoga, an adept at "Traditional Science", author of several books, who >>>>> claimed with great authority that the problem of cancer had been >>>>> "solved". >>>>> He never got cancer but died of a heart failure around age 80 in 2008. AG* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *My point is that people with your philosophy often make huge claims, >>>>> with rarely anything practical forthcoming. For example, during the Covid >>>>> pandemic, a company named Moderna produced a vaccine in record time, >>>>> using >>>>> knowledge of DNA, viruses, etc. They couldn't have done that without the >>>>> discovery of DNA, which no doubt required by the invention of the >>>>> Electron >>>>> Microscope. Talk is cheap. We can do great things in the absence of your >>>>> vague philosophy. Can you actually DO something useful, or is it all >>>>> talk? >>>>> AG * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:17:26 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:11:38 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> @Alan. You can do cancer research. But since that research is not >>>>> based on fundamental ideas about reality, it will be just guesswork: Just >>>>> try 1000 different drugs and cross fingers that one might work. Instead, >>>>> if >>>>> people would actually understand consciousness, they would cure cancer in >>>>> 1 >>>>> week. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *I might believe that if you were able to contribute ANYTHING to ANY >>>>> problem discussed here. All I read are grandiose claims with nothing >>>>> practical forthcoming. AG* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:08:48 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:01:18 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You can continue cancer research. But is just like playing World of >>>>> Warcraft in order to get the legendary gear. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *If you get cancer, which is not my wish, you can tell your doctor >>>>> that the pain and suffering is purely imaginary, not to mention the >>>>> possible early termination of your life. Now, do us all a favor and cease >>>>> posting like a fool. AG * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 16:48:23 UTC+2 John Clark wrote: >>>>> >>>>> *You didn't answer my question. Should cancer research be stopped, and >>>>> if not why not? * >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 9:35 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You make the classical confusion between epistemology and ontology. >>>>> Only because you can watch a movie with Spider-Man (epistemology), it >>>>> doesn't follow that Spider-Man exists (ontology). >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 15:39:31 UTC+2 John Clark wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 8:04 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> *>>the question of list moderation would not be relevant at this time >>>>> if one very recent list member didn't think page after page of nothing >>>>> but >>>>> "(:>)" characters was an intelligent rebuttal, and ALL scientific >>>>> questions >>>>> of the form "what is the nature of X?" can be answered by simply saying >>>>> "X >>>>> does not exist".* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *> Of course, given that consciousness is all there is. Why would you >>>>> waste time talking about things that don't exist ?* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *So there's no point in doing cancer research because cancer does not >>>>> exist? Do I have that right? * >>>>> * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> >>> To view this discussion visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ce0f45cd-428a-4658-9611-8491375412dfn%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ce0f45cd-428a-4658-9611-8491375412dfn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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