I always admit everything. It seems to you that I don't because I keep saying "Consciousness is all there is". While that sentence is true, so while that proves with 100% certainty that there is no matter, it still doesn't give the full details of consciousness.
On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 18:21:13 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: > I think that's the first time you've ever admitted you don't understand > something fully. I recommend you keep going in that direction. > > On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 11:05 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I also said: "if we were to understand consciousness fully, then we will >> know for sure what to expect after death." As of today, we don't understand >> consciousness fully. >> >> On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 16:54:49 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >> >>> When you said this: "And in case we would expect happiness, then we will >>> even stop finding any cure for cancer. We will celebrate cancer." So >>> instead of celebrating cancer, why not skip the painful parts? >>> >>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 3:29:59 PM UTC-5 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>> >>>> Where did I say that the next life will be better ? >>>> >>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 22:09:01 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>>> >>>>> Serious question - what's stopping you from killing yourself and >>>>> speeding up the transition to happiness? >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 3:04 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm millionaire, why would I need a job ? Also, if we were to >>>>>> understand consciousness fully, then we will know for sure what to >>>>>> expect >>>>>> after death. And in case we would expect happiness, then we will even >>>>>> stop >>>>>> finding any cure for cancer. We will celebrate cancer. All of our >>>>>> current >>>>>> decisions are made based on incomplete knowledge of the truth. As such, >>>>>> we >>>>>> make the decisions based on what we imagine reality to be, not on what >>>>>> it >>>>>> actually is. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:37:03 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 12:30:07 PM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It depends what kind of person you are. If you are a depressed >>>>>>> person, curing you of cancer will not do any good. On the contrary, if >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> would have died you would havd gotten a chance at happiness in the next >>>>>>> life. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *You have to be right. Stop your BS, assuming you know more than you >>>>>>> actually do, or get a job, or jerkoff, but no more of your stupidity. >>>>>>> AG * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:06:51 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just opened a topic a while back about the definition of the word >>>>>>> "useful" that you keep abusing. Let's remind you: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Useful = whatever increases happiness. >>>>>>> Useless = whatever doesn't increase happiness. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My philosophy, I guarantee you 100%, increases happiness, so is >>>>>>> useful. >>>>>>> Getting cured of cancer might still let you depressed, so cancer >>>>>>> cure is useless. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *You can't be very conscious and make such a hugely stupid comment. >>>>>>> Don't ya think that being cured of cancer is immensely happier than >>>>>>> succumbing to it? AG* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 19:59:29 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 9:53:59 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you expect you can properly fix a car if you don't know how >>>>>>> it function ? You just do guesswork, you give it a few kicks and maybe >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> starts. This is how present-day science works given that it doesn't >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> based on fundamentals, namely based on the working of consciousness. >>>>>>> Sure, >>>>>>> you can keep doing research this way: kick it till it works. And you >>>>>>> might >>>>>>> save a few lives. But if you were start from fundamentals, then you >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> know exactly what you were doing and you will save 8 billion lives. Not >>>>>>> that it would matter at that point, given that at that level of >>>>>>> development >>>>>>> we will manipulate consciousness to such a degree that we will not even >>>>>>> need bodies anymore. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *About 60 years ago I met a fellow with your philosophy, a Master of >>>>>>> Yoga, an adept at "Traditional Science", author of several books, who >>>>>>> claimed with great authority that the problem of cancer had been >>>>>>> "solved". >>>>>>> He never got cancer but died of a heart failure around age 80 in 2008. >>>>>>> AG* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *My point is that people with your philosophy often make huge >>>>>>> claims, with rarely anything practical forthcoming. For example, during >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Covid pandemic, a company named Moderna produced a vaccine in record >>>>>>> time, >>>>>>> using knowledge of DNA, viruses, etc. They couldn't have done that >>>>>>> without >>>>>>> the discovery of DNA, which no doubt required by the invention of the >>>>>>> Electron Microscope. Talk is cheap. We can do great things in the >>>>>>> absence >>>>>>> of your vague philosophy. Can you actually DO something useful, or is >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> all talk? AG * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:17:26 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:11:38 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @Alan. You can do cancer research. But since that research is not >>>>>>> based on fundamental ideas about reality, it will be just guesswork: >>>>>>> Just >>>>>>> try 1000 different drugs and cross fingers that one might work. >>>>>>> Instead, if >>>>>>> people would actually understand consciousness, they would cure cancer >>>>>>> in 1 >>>>>>> week. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *I might believe that if you were able to contribute ANYTHING to ANY >>>>>>> problem discussed here. All I read are grandiose claims with nothing >>>>>>> practical forthcoming. AG* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:08:48 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:01:18 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can continue cancer research. But is just like playing World of >>>>>>> Warcraft in order to get the legendary gear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *If you get cancer, which is not my wish, you can tell your doctor >>>>>>> that the pain and suffering is purely imaginary, not to mention the >>>>>>> possible early termination of your life. Now, do us all a favor and >>>>>>> cease >>>>>>> posting like a fool. AG * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 16:48:23 UTC+2 John Clark wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *You didn't answer my question. Should cancer research be stopped, >>>>>>> and if not why not? * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 9:35 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You make the classical confusion between epistemology and ontology. >>>>>>> Only because you can watch a movie with Spider-Man (epistemology), it >>>>>>> doesn't follow that Spider-Man exists (ontology). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 15:39:31 UTC+2 John Clark wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 8:04 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *>>the question of list moderation would not be relevant at this >>>>>>> time if one very recent list member didn't think page after page of >>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>> but "(:>)" characters was an intelligent rebuttal, and ALL scientific >>>>>>> questions of the form "what is the nature of X?" can be answered by >>>>>>> simply >>>>>>> saying "X does not exist".* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *> Of course, given that consciousness is all there is. Why would >>>>>>> you waste time talking about things that don't exist ?* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *So there's no point in doing cancer research because cancer does >>>>>>> not exist? 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