@Terren. What metaphysics ? Your existence is metaphysics ? Or is a matter of obvious fact ?
On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 19:18:21 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: > Prove that you admit everything. Admit that your assertion that > *consciousness > is all that exists* is metaphysical - it cannot be proved. The same is > true of the claim that matter and energy are all that exists. Both are > metaphysical statements. > > On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 12:08 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I always admit everything. It seems to you that I don't because I keep >> saying "Consciousness is all there is". While that sentence is true, so >> while that proves with 100% certainty that there is no matter, it still >> doesn't give the full details of consciousness. >> >> On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 18:21:13 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >> >>> I think that's the first time you've ever admitted you don't understand >>> something fully. I recommend you keep going in that direction. >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 11:05 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I also said: "if we were to understand consciousness fully, then we >>>> will know for sure what to expect after death." As of today, we don't >>>> understand consciousness fully. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 16:54:49 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>>> >>>>> When you said this: "And in case we would expect happiness, then we >>>>> will even stop finding any cure for cancer. We will celebrate cancer." >>>>> So >>>>> instead of celebrating cancer, why not skip the painful parts? >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 3:29:59 PM UTC-5 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Where did I say that the next life will be better ? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 22:09:01 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Serious question - what's stopping you from killing yourself and >>>>>>> speeding up the transition to happiness? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 3:04 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm millionaire, why would I need a job ? Also, if we were to >>>>>>>> understand consciousness fully, then we will know for sure what to >>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>> after death. And in case we would expect happiness, then we will even >>>>>>>> stop >>>>>>>> finding any cure for cancer. We will celebrate cancer. All of our >>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>> decisions are made based on incomplete knowledge of the truth. As >>>>>>>> such, we >>>>>>>> make the decisions based on what we imagine reality to be, not on what >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> actually is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:37:03 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 12:30:07 PM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It depends what kind of person you are. If you are a depressed >>>>>>>>> person, curing you of cancer will not do any good. On the contrary, >>>>>>>>> if you >>>>>>>>> would have died you would havd gotten a chance at happiness in the >>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>> life. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *You have to be right. Stop your BS, assuming you know more than >>>>>>>>> you actually do, or get a job, or jerkoff, but no more of your >>>>>>>>> stupidity. >>>>>>>>> AG * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:06:51 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just opened a topic a while back about the definition of the >>>>>>>>> word "useful" that you keep abusing. Let's remind you: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Useful = whatever increases happiness. >>>>>>>>> Useless = whatever doesn't increase happiness. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My philosophy, I guarantee you 100%, increases happiness, so is >>>>>>>>> useful. >>>>>>>>> Getting cured of cancer might still let you depressed, so cancer >>>>>>>>> cure is useless. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *You can't be very conscious and make such a hugely stupid >>>>>>>>> comment. Don't ya think that being cured of cancer is immensely >>>>>>>>> happier >>>>>>>>> than succumbing to it? AG* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 19:59:29 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 9:53:59 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How do you expect you can properly fix a car if you don't know how >>>>>>>>> it function ? You just do guesswork, you give it a few kicks and >>>>>>>>> maybe it >>>>>>>>> starts. This is how present-day science works given that it doesn't >>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>> based on fundamentals, namely based on the working of consciousness. >>>>>>>>> Sure, >>>>>>>>> you can keep doing research this way: kick it till it works. And you >>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>> save a few lives. But if you were start from fundamentals, then you >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> know exactly what you were doing and you will save 8 billion lives. >>>>>>>>> Not >>>>>>>>> that it would matter at that point, given that at that level of >>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>> we will manipulate consciousness to such a degree that we will not >>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>> need bodies anymore. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *About 60 years ago I met a fellow with your philosophy, a Master >>>>>>>>> of Yoga, an adept at "Traditional Science", author of several books, >>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>> claimed with great authority that the problem of cancer had been >>>>>>>>> "solved". >>>>>>>>> He never got cancer but died of a heart failure around age 80 in >>>>>>>>> 2008. AG* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *My point is that people with your philosophy often make huge >>>>>>>>> claims, with rarely anything practical forthcoming. For example, >>>>>>>>> during the >>>>>>>>> Covid pandemic, a company named Moderna produced a vaccine in record >>>>>>>>> time, >>>>>>>>> using knowledge of DNA, viruses, etc. They couldn't have done that >>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>> the discovery of DNA, which no doubt required by the invention of the >>>>>>>>> Electron Microscope. Talk is cheap. We can do great things in the >>>>>>>>> absence >>>>>>>>> of your vague philosophy. Can you actually DO something useful, or is >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> all talk? AG * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:17:26 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:11:38 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @Alan. You can do cancer research. But since that research is not >>>>>>>>> based on fundamental ideas about reality, it will be just guesswork: >>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>> try 1000 different drugs and cross fingers that one might work. >>>>>>>>> Instead, if >>>>>>>>> people would actually understand consciousness, they would cure >>>>>>>>> cancer in 1 >>>>>>>>> week. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *I might believe that if you were able to contribute ANYTHING to >>>>>>>>> ANY problem discussed here. All I read are grandiose claims with >>>>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>>>> practical forthcoming. AG* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:08:48 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:01:18 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can continue cancer research. But is just like playing World >>>>>>>>> of Warcraft in order to get the legendary gear. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *If you get cancer, which is not my wish, you can tell your doctor >>>>>>>>> that the pain and suffering is purely imaginary, not to mention the >>>>>>>>> possible early termination of your life. Now, do us all a favor and >>>>>>>>> cease >>>>>>>>> posting like a fool. AG * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 16:48:23 UTC+2 John Clark wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *You didn't answer my question. Should cancer research be stopped, >>>>>>>>> and if not why not? * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 9:35 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You make the classical confusion between epistemology and >>>>>>>>> ontology. Only because you can watch a movie with Spider-Man >>>>>>>>> (epistemology), it doesn't follow that Spider-Man exists (ontology). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 15:39:31 UTC+2 John Clark wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 8:04 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *>>the question of list moderation would not be relevant at this >>>>>>>>> time if one very recent list member didn't think page after page of >>>>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>>>> but "(:>)" characters was an intelligent rebuttal, and ALL scientific >>>>>>>>> questions of the form "what is the nature of X?" can be answered by >>>>>>>>> simply >>>>>>>>> saying "X does not exist".* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *> Of course, given that consciousness is all there is. Why would >>>>>>>>> you waste time talking about things that don't exist ?* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *So there's no point in doing cancer research because cancer does >>>>>>>>> not exist? 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