RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: I would like to try an experiment in compassion

[mark robert]

From: Bob Brigante [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:33 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I would like to try an experiment in compassion   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mark robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >  > >   _____  > > From: Bob Brigante [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 7:07 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I would like to try an experiment in > compassion > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Mar 18, 2005, at 5:23 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: > > > > >  1. Stop smoking pot (why do you think the TMO asks people to > stop > > >  illegal drug use prior to starting TM?). > > > > Um, because they're control freaks who like to make people > miserable? > > > > > >  3. Don't worry about the cigarettes, they'll go away > somewhere > down > > >  the line if you are regular in your TM (and not overwhelming > the > > >  benefits with psychotropic drugs). > > > > > > You're joking, right?   It sounds to me like RJ has been very > regular > > and the cigs are still very much with him. One of the most > addictive > > habits known will no doubt take a bit more than TM, or else he > would > > have already kicked it.  That's great that you did it  quickly, > > but, > > from what I understand, that is not the experience of most, > TMers > or > > not. > > ********* > > The whole point of my post was that RJ was not giving TM a > chance, > because he is using a lot of drugs by his own statement. And RJ > has > not made any such statement that he has been regular in his > practice > of TM, in any event. Regarding your claim that TMers need more > than > TM to quit smoking, that is not what research indicates: > > http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/ch3_3.htm > > > > > -------------- > >  > >  > >  > > To imply that the research indicates that TM works for 100% of > those who do/try it is a blatant falsehood. Go back to those > studies you supplied and look at those percent figures again, > Bob. > >  > > -mark ************** I did not make the claim that TM worked 100% in eliminating tobacco use over the short term -- in fact, I linked to a site that, as you note, indicates that TM usually, but not always results in elimination of tobacco addiction within the time frame of the study. Over the long run, either people will give up TM or they will stop smoking (or maybe they will die, putting an end to the experiment). This cessation of bad habits is clearly indicated in the scientific research on tobacco and alcohol use by TMers -- it's a direction of less reliance on harmful substances because TM works to give people a feeling of well-being that makes them less likely to feel motivated to use harmful substances. --------------------   Bob,   You wrote:   “Regarding your claim that TMers need more than TM to quit smoking, that is not what research indicates” Thereby implying that 100% of TMers need no more than TM to quit smoking. Therefore, as it stands, you have committed TWO falsehoods: Not only what you claim you claimed is false, but also your original is false. Care to dig your hole a little deeper? Maybe the TMO should have asked all to abstain from  dishonesty for 3 weeks prior to being initiated (or at least those who are addicted to it).   -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.